Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 17:14:24 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl <pauls@utdallas.edu> To: Sideris Michael <msid@daemons.gr> Cc: Shaun Amott <shaun@inerd.com>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports structure and improvement suggestions Message-ID: <445FC2C0.40700@utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060508213504.GB73976@daemons.gr> References: <20060508200926.GA6005@daemons.gr> <20060508212441.GB767@picobyte.net> <20060508213504.GB73976@daemons.gr>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040101020600080509020409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sideris Michael wrote: > > Maybe I am not an expert regarding ports, but I thought there is a way to convert > all ports Makefiles without any problems. Maybe I am wrong. > You're wrong about something much more fundamental than that. *Only* the port maintainer knows why he or she created the port the way they did. They may have *very* good reasons for *not* using OPTIONS, and for anyone to assume that OPTIONS (or any other knob in Makefiles) should simply be forced upon all port maintainers is simply wrong. I suspect you'll run off more than a few by doing that. If you think the port committers, who are simply trying to stay above water, have any idea what most of the ports they commit actually do, you're dreaming. No one can know what 14,000+ ports do. That's *why* you have ports maintainers - because they (supposedly) actually know what the ports they maintain do, and they care about doing it right. (I'm generalizing, of course, but I'm certain it's true for the vast majority of them.) The first thing *you* should do is "grep -r 'MAINTAINER=' /usr/ports/* | grep 'ports@FreeBSD.org' " and locate some ports that no longer have maintainers. Then volunteer to maintain them. *After* you've gained some experience (and I guarantee you will make mistakes and learn new things), *then* you can suggest major changes to the way ports are maintained. For me personally, OPTIONS are optional, depending upon the port I'm working on. For some, OPTIONS would do nothing, because there *are* no OPTIONS. When it's appropriate, I use it. When it's not, I don't. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --------------ms040101020600080509020409 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIOyjCC A9gwggNBoAMCAQICEAKtnrSFCASWdA6c5IDs7CIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgcExCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjE8MDoGA1UECxMzQ2xhc3MgMiBQdWJs aWMgUHJpbWFyeSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eSAtIEcyMTowOAYDVQQLEzEoYykg MTk5OCBWZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLiAtIEZvciBhdXRob3JpemVkIHVzZSBvbmx5MR8wHQYDVQQL ExZWZXJpU2lnbiBUcnVzdCBOZXR3b3JrMB4XDTk5MDMzMTAwMDAwMFoXDTA3MDExNDIzNTk1 OVowgeoxJzAlBgNVBAoTHlRoZSBVbml2ZXJzaXR5IG9mIFRleGFzIFN5c3RlbTEfMB0GA1UE CxMWVmVyaVNpZ24gVHJ1c3QgTmV0d29yazE7MDkGA1UECxMyVGVybXMgb2YgdXNlIGF0IGh0 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