From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 11 4: 2:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9E937B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from pollux.asml.nl (ns.asml.nl [195.109.200.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B4643F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from nlvdhv01.asml.nl (nlvdhv01 [195.109.200.68]) by pollux.asml.nl (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07199; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:02:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from unknown(146.106.1.223) by nlvdhv01.asml.nl via csmap id 16796; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:59:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from titan.asml.nl (titan [146.106.1.9]) by creon.asml.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1BC2Dc06677; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:02:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (frobozz.asml.nl [146.106.12.76]) by titan.asml.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11418; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:02:10 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200302110516.h1B5GV130128@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> References: <200302110516.h1B5GV130128@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:40:44 +0100 To: Dave Hayes From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: matthew dillon Cc: Brad Knowles , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 9:16 PM -0800 2003/02/10, Dave Hayes wrote: >> And you would substitute what? Instant messaging?!? > > Right now, I'm not sure I would substitute anything. I simply notice > most normal people pick their mode of communication, and care nothing > for the technical consequences. Given this observation, a requirement > for the ideal messaging system would be graceful handling of resource > allocation. Before you can force everyone to use your fair allocation system, you first have to remove all other options available to them. I don't see how anyone can effectively do this on the Internet. > I agree. That is why I'm surprised when communities get blustered over > someone sending too much traffic. It's like getting indignant when > someone is over the speed limit. Why waste the energy? If the person is driving recklessly and endangering other people, that would be something to get angry about. If they're in the middle of the Great Salt Flats, then who gives a flying mongolian cluster sexual interforce? ;-) -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message