From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 14 17:03:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24086 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:03:46 GMT (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA03627; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Niall Smart cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: htags fails. In-Reply-To: <199804142155.WAA01607@indigo.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Niall Smart wrote: > On Apr 14, 1:59am, Terry Lambert wrote: > } Subject: Re: htags fails. > > > > The scripts need to be changed, preferrably by the perl maintainers, > > the better to teach them to either avoid syntax changes and/or think > > about the problems the language needs to solve before implementing > > syntax which will later need to be changed because it wasn't Von Neumann > > complete. > > Von Neumann complete? Thats a new one to me, do you mean they couldn't > write a Turing machine in it? ;) I had a similar response -- attached is my response and Terry's answer :). ------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: htags fails. On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > The scripts need to be changed, preferrably by the perl maintainers, > the better to teach them to either avoid syntax changes and/or think > about the problems the language needs to solve before implementing > syntax which will later need to be changed because it wasn't Von Neumann > complete. Terry, I was under the impression that it was Von Neumann complete, just not comfortably so. One notes that by using a large array + integer mathmetics and a state machine, one can do whatever one wants (emulate a Turing machine, encapsulate arithmetic, implement lambda-calculus, make a JVM, emulate an i586, etc). This is just not a lot of fun, and really not very practical. :) Having easy to manage memory allocation + references or pointers is a lot more fun, and far more practical. Robert N Watson ------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:40:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Terry Lambert To: robert@cyrus.watson.org Cc: tlambert@primenet.com Subject: Re: htags fails. > > The scripts need to be changed, preferrably by the perl maintainers, > > the better to teach them to either avoid syntax changes and/or think > > about the problems the language needs to solve before implementing > > syntax which will later need to be changed because it wasn't Von Neumann > > complete. > > I was under the impression that it was Von Neumann complete, just not > comfortably so. I hereby ammend my statement to include the word "comfrtably". 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. ------------ Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message