Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2023 14:10:34 +0000 (UTC) From: doug <doug@safeport.com> To: Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List managers [Was: Link usability] Message-ID: <34bfdc5d-47e7-f2dc-9560-d5c39f34bbca@safeport.com> In-Reply-To: <7e683c8f-0bb4-74c8-386e-5c4dff5f0804@nomadlogic.org> References: <ca17a158b68d6cf2d0c261cc5f4268d5ef367482.camel@blues-softwares.net> <3faa3481-abe3-47cd-f273-2658db42a5bc@gmail.com> <11239785ba0531583f29189b133ceafdcded8aad.camel@blues-softwares.net> <ac194575-8e40-5e19-2478-a69fffbab278@freebsd.org> <5f1028aadd42bcbd89c62e843fc59798c52a0f36.camel@blues-softwares.net> <9B5F5E1E-555D-4FA8-AFBE-EBBD3A8A7045@nimnet.asn.au> <6eaa6e1f-af45-41f8-a5d7-2f03eb4f456a@freebsd.org> <A7E64A3C-2D9C-4368-ACC9-A81403C163EC@nimnet.asn.au> <20230321192209.giqsnhqbl7ben6vk@beesty.loosely.org> <7e683c8f-0bb4-74c8-386e-5c4dff5f0804@nomadlogic.org>
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This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --621616949-1957973882-1679667034=:45353 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 3/21/23 12:22, possessor.assizer305@aceecat.org wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 07:49:11PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: >> >>> Ah, right. Yet another consequence of the regressive move from >>> mailman plus pipermail to mlmmj is loss of clickable links in the >>> archived messages. Duh! >> Out of curiosity, what was the rationale for the move? >> >> My opinion: >> Mailman has its warts but it's ubiquitous and well suited for >> a world where almost everything has to be done in the browser >> for $REASONS. >> > my understanding is that mailman was tied to python2, and the next version of > mailman (v3 iirc) that supports python3 is incompatible with the previous > version. i think it also had a bunch of other shortcomings/issues. so i > suspect the lift to use mlmmj was easier than moving to mailman v3. > > i agree its an unfortunate situation, but its i think it would be > irresponsible to rely on python2 for such critical infrastructure. > Boo on the mailman project. There is a conversion utility that takes care of the syntax changes. The only maajor changes I hit were the MySQL, and a couple of DNS modules. In something as complex as mailman I am sure there was more but relative to just maintaining something that complex well within there Python knowledge I would assume. --621616949-1957973882-1679667034=:45353--
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