From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 2 02:30:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDDC16A41F for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:30:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1123813795.109329@mired.org) Received: from delight.idiom.com (delight.idiom.com [216.240.32.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F31343D48 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:30:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1123813795.109329@mired.org) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by delight.idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3316A219B1D for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mired.org (mwm@idiom [216.240.32.1]) by idiom.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j722UBvr061807 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1123813795.109329@mired.org) Received: (qmail 74620 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Aug 2005 02:29:55 -0000 Received: by localhost.mired.org (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:29:55 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17134.55971.274966.717525@bhuda.mired.org> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:29:55 -0400 To: Michael Carlson X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) From: Mike Meyer X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:21:06 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, ray@redshift.com Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:30:14 -0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop? In-Reply-To: <1122924209.19849.18.camel@wushu.llnl.gov> References: <3.0.1.32.20050801043607.00a5aeb0@pop.redshift.com> <1122924209.19849.18.camel@wushu.llnl.gov> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 17) "Jumbo Shrimp" XEmacs Lucid Bcc: mwm-local@localhost X-Primary-Address: mwm@mired.org X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ --text follows this line-- In <1122924209.19849.18.camel@wushu.llnl.gov>, Michael Carlson typed: > But if you dont want to wait a couple of days, XFCE is probably the > lightest Window Manager. Not a chance. It uses gtk, which is bigger than lwm (/usr/ports/x11-wm/lwm) all by itself. And lwm isn't the lightest WM around - it's just the one I'm familiar with. The catch with the real lightweight window managers is that you configure them with cc. But if small and fast is what you want, they're the ticket. If you've been using Windows, you might prefer qvwm (/usr/ports/x11-wm/qvwm), which is a Windows 95/98/NT like window manager. I don't see one that emulates XP, and a quick google only turns up XPde, which appears to be a dead. If you think window management is to important to be left to such a low-bandwidth device as a mouse(*), then you might try ratpoison (/usr/ports/x11-wm/ratpoison). It's not for everyone, but it *really* confuses Mac and Windows users. Personally, I prefer plpwm (an example manager in /usr/ports/x11-wm/plwm), but I wrote it. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information.