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Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 18:08:15 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user feedback Message-ID: References: <06f829a7-4378-4a24-a3db-f929d812cddd@gmx.at> <3294629.dr8DHy2Ehi@ravel> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.88 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.958]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.923]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[202.12.124.154:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:202.12.124.128/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[202.12.124.154:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:151847, ipnet:202.12.124.0/24, country:AU]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cqQ4K6VM7z3mZW On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 08:13:02AM +0100, Lexi Winter wrote: >it's not possible for me to manually set the To/Cc/Mail-Followup-To >list to only include people who are not subscribed to a particular list, >because i have no idea who is subscribed to what list. i could just set >it to only include the list address, but then people who aren't >subscribed to the list won't receive replies. It's AFAIAA usual for posts to an email list to go To: the email address of that list. In the case of this list, it's To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org it sends out one mail everyone on the list gets In most email clients, someone replying to an email on the list can either in something like mutt hit 'L' meaning 'reply to list' in even some web interfaces there's similar functionality. Replying to 'individuals_possible@not-on-list-email-address' or even subscribed_email@name in the To: sometimes results in duplication instead of leaving it as-is. It also seems to break threading in some clients. I'd say it's up to people to say 'please copy me in as I'm not subscribed to the list' when they post if they need Cc: (or beter still Bcc:) because as you rightly say you have no way of knowing otherwise. At least that's how things Used To Be(tm) --