From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 12 02:09:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EBD16A41F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:09:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from a50.ironport.com (a50.ironport.com [63.251.108.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B3E43D45 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:09:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from unknown (HELO [10.251.23.146]) ([10.251.23.146]) by a50.ironport.com with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2006 18:09:39 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true Message-ID: <43C5BA62.3010301@elischer.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:38 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050727 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <20060111212605.79848.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C57A7A.3080802@elischer.org> <3e1162e60601111405x59e7e70dyf57c74b01e888e8a@mail.gmail.com> <43C5B4B2.9000707@elischer.org> <43C5B6F0.1050004@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <43C5B6F0.1050004@samsco.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: alan bryan , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, David Leimbach Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Intel Macs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:09:39 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > Julian Elischer wrote: > >> David Leimbach wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 1/11/06, *Julian Elischer* >> > wrote: >>> >>> alan bryan wrote: >>> >>> >I read that the new Intel (x86) Macs use EFI rather >>> >than the traditional PC Bios to boot up. I'm >>> >interested in using one of these to multiboot OS X and >>> >FreeBSD and am wondering if it is yet known to work or >>> >not. Do any changes need to be made to FreeBSD or >>> >should it work out of the box? Thanks for any insight >>> >and I know that it may be impossible to fully answer >>> >until people get their hands on the hardware but I >>> >just wanted to start thinking about the possibilities. >>> > >>> > >>> well if they can boot Darwin I'm sure they can be hacked to boot >>> FreeBSD. >>> It would probabty require a different bootloader binary. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't see what booting Darwin has to do with booting FreeBSD. >> >> >> >> >> If they were bastards they could refuse to load anything that wasn't >> in some format or didn't >> decrypt with some public key. I doubt they wouod do that but since >> they control the >> horizontal and the vertical they COULD do it. >> >> It is possible that the boot loader sequence may require a stage that >> is in some format >> supported by the apple firmware, depending on how wired down they >> have made it. >> > > Geez, please take off the tinfoil hat. This has been an FAQ since about > 3 seconds after the word 'Intel' escaped Jobs' lips in June. Apple has > quite clearly stated that they will not do anything to lock down the > hardware from other OS's, just that they won't go out of their way to > support anything other than OSX. > > So, repeat after me: "APPLE IS NOT KILLING KITTENS AND CALLING YOUR > MOTHER DIRTY NAMES". A gold star goes to the first person who boots > FreeBSD on an Intel iMac. What I thought I said: "They COULD have done XYZ bad things (see above) but in all probability the worst thing we'd have to do is have a boot loader component (possibly boot0) that conforms to some file format, and that should be relatively simple" > > Scott