From owner-freebsd-security Wed Jun 13 8: 2:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [208.237.135.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F26237B405 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca) Received: from mr6.exu.ericsson.se (mr6u3.ericy.com [208.237.135.123]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5DF1Ca13579; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:01:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr6.exu.ericsson.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5DF1B610565; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:01:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se (lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.16.175]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f5DF1AG07242; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:01:08 -0400 Received: from lmc.ericsson.se (lmcpc100455.pc.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.23.150]) by LMC37.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id M6GN05T0; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:01:05 -0400 From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Garrett Wollman , Jamie Norwood , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3B278030.3020305@lmc.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:01:04 -0400 Organization: LMC, Ericsson Research Canada User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:0.9.1) Gecko/20010607 X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: OT: FTP almost gone now? (was: Re: IPFW almost works now.) References: <200106131442.f5DEgNB10141@cwsys.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <200106122044.QAA93356@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>, Garrett > Wollman write > s: > >>< >>said: >> >> >>>No, it has a host of limitations all it's own, not the least of which is >>>that is is actually less efficient at transfering files, >>> >>Balderdash! HTTP and TCP both send files over identical TCP >>connections, which makes them equally efficient. There really is no >>reason for FTP to continue to exist (but yet it does). >> > > On virtually every mailing list I'm on I've been advocating the > deprecation of FTP, only to get flamed by advocates of FTP. The reason > FTP is still used is because people want to use it. Until the majority > can be educated (convinced) it will continue to be used. Code (CGI > scripts, etc.) to perform uploads would be the start of the demise of > FTP. Actually, I think that nothing short of: - the (possible?) merge of mod_put in the main distro of Apache coupled with - the implementation of PUT and DELETE methods on the client side (Netscape, IE and friends) along with - some kind of standardization of the process of renaming, etc would do it. Since this is completly unrealistic, ftp is here to stay. Or to be replace with SFTP. A. -- La sémantique est la gravité de l'abstraction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message