From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 20 14:57:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EA016A420 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:57:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from FS.denninger.net (wsip-68-15-213-52.at.at.cox.net [68.15.213.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF9043D66 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:57:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.3/8.13.1) with SMTP id j9KEv0Ae086789 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:57:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net [127.0.0.1] by Spamblock-sys (LOCAL); Thu Oct 20 09:57:00 2005 Received: (from karl@localhost) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9KEv0QD086787; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:57:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:57:00 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20051020145700.GA86725@FS.denninger.net> References: <434FABCC.2060709@roq.com> <20051014205434.C66245@fledge.watson.org> <43564800.3010309@roq.com> <4356BBA1.3000103@wm-access.no> <43579259.8060701@roq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers cheerfully broiled for supper and served with ketchup! Cc: Michael VInce , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, Sten Daniel S?rsdal Subject: Re: Network performance 6.0 with netperf X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:57:02 -0000 I think that's unfair. I have a couple of Dell machines and my biggest complaint with them has been their use of proprietary bolt patterns for their motherboards and similar tomfoolery, preventing you from migrating their hardware as your needs grow. This also guarantees that your $75 power supply becomes a $200 one once the warranty ends - good for them, not good for you. Other than that, I've been pretty happy with their stuff. Sure beats a lot of other "PC" vendors out there in terms of reliability, heat management, BIOS updates, etc. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 04:26:31PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:49 PM +1000 2005-10-20, Michael VInce wrote: > > > The 4 ethernet ports on the Dell server are all built-in so I am assuming > > they are on the best bus available. > > In my experience, the terms "Dell" and "best available" very > rarely go together. > > Dell has made a name for themselves by shipping the absolutely > cheapest possible hardware they can, with the thinnest possible > profit margins, and trying to make up the difference in volume. > Issues like support, ease of management, freedom from overheating, > etc... get secondary or tertiary consideration, if they get any > consideration at all. > > But maybe that's just me. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755