From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 18 19:26:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw.cablecom.ne.jp (mailgw.cablecom.ne.jp [202.248.199.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7823B14D92; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp) Received: from srv2.cablecom.ne.jp by mailgw.cablecom.ne.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id LAA02700; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from asuka.snipe.rim.or.jp by srv2.cablecom.ne.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id LAA02550; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:26:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from rei.snipe.rim.or.jp (rei.snipe.rim.or.jp [192.168.11.11]) by asuka.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA33738; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:26:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from rei.snipe.rim.or.jp (localhost.snipe.rim.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by rei.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA05267; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:26:29 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199908190226.LAA05267@rei.snipe.rim.or.jp> To: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Cc: Nik Clayton , "Alexey M. Zelkin" , doc@freebsd.org, doc-jp@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Default FDP docs installation directory? X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <19990818121931.A4266@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <199908182104.BAA04851@scorpion.crimea.ua> <19990819001734.A83680@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:26:29 +0900 From: Motoyuki Konno Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) wrote: > * If the sysadmin wants this as local policy they can enforce it with a > * symlink (possibly as a selectable option in doc/Makefile, to make the > * link automatically). > > The issue is not about local policy, Nik. There are literally dozens > of Japanese FreeBSD books and magazines out there that includes a > variation of the first line up there as the command to read the > handbook. (I don't know about other countries but I suspect the > situation is the same.) > > When people buy a book, install the latest system and find out it > doesn't work, they get pissed. And we (on the Japanese mailing lists) > are the ones that hear about it. I think this is the most important. Any directory change confused many FreeBSD users, so WE HAVE TO VERY VERY CAREFUL TO CHANGE THE DEFAULT INSTALL DIRECTORY. We agreed Nik's CVS-repository-move idea because he says the location of documents never move. If he said he want to move the directory at the moment (before the CVS-repository-move were done), we never agree his idea. When the Japanese manual directory moved from /usr/(share|local|X11R6)/man/ja_JP.EUC to /usr/..../ja, many many Japanese users are confused with this problem. For another example, the system configuration file were /etc/sysconfig at first, then /etc/rc.conf, now /etc/default/rc.conf for the default values and /etc/rc.conf for the user-defined values. This change also confused many FreeBSD users... Of course, these changes were written in Release Notes, but FreeBSD beginners think their FreeBSD books are correct. # As the Release Notes exists in the electrical media such as Web, # Beginners feels more difficulty to refer the Release Notes. I think there were enough reason to change the location of system configuration file. But what about the doc directory change? Is there enough reason to change? I think not. I have never heard the opinion like "the location of FreeBSD handbook is bad. please move it" from FreeBSD users. I have heard many suggestion like "the location change confused me much. please do not move again." -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno mkonno@res.yamanashi-med.ac.jp (Univ) motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) Yamanashi Medical University http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message