From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Jan 2 02:56:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B63B1E8DF0 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 02:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from p-impout001.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (p-impout009aa.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net [47.43.26.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47pCNc2GPvz3Cqb for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 02:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.177.163]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id mqevijkIwHRLqmqevi3pqJ; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 02:56:25 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=EY62v8uC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:117 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=6WEML5oEIqsejf4HZD4A:9 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 02:56:52 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Portmaster failing References: <8DDB987C-5276-4F35-BBD1-84043ED26E03@kreme.com> <288FEB87-3D88-4696-BF83-6918DAE656E5@kreme.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNCyIASIi/Lhbzcy6JKjrLtN02WdRqvl8VIw5vim7+OlbTeCmi37/4qZ3jXenUIybOb5Dnc21JnrGAaNhNWyq2L6Xxf9DYI4313ydzqWIUS9umCDGlvg VNJQQB10oiFeIj11BGK046E8sK6FSNek5ryUy2Vhfm3ZHEKhVthGT+ve X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47pCNc2GPvz3Cqb X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mueller6722@twc.com designates 47.43.26.140 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mueller6722@twc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[163.177.28.96.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:47.43.26.0/24:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[twc.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[twc.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.70)[0.704,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MISSING_MID(2.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.816,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[asn: 40294(1.15), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[twc.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:40294, ipnet:47.43.24.0/21, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 02:56:33 -0000 > This is why we practically beg people to use poudriere. There seems to > be a pervasive misconception that poudriere is "advanced" and > portmaster is simple or straightforward. That notion is completely and > totally backwards. Poudriere makes managing ports as simple and > trouble-free as possible, and portmaster is specifically for people > who can troubleshoot and fix problems like the one you're describing > on their own. These problems WILL continue to happen very regularly > for portmaster, because portmaster simply cannot do the right thing on > its own. It will ALWAYS require manual intervention every time > anything remotely significant changes. > I've mentioned this to you before, lbutlr, because you post about > encountering these snags quite regularly, and your (quite warranted) > frustration is apparent. I really do think that your FreeBSD life will > be simpler if you switch from portmaster to poudriere. If you choose > to stay on portmaster, however, then you need to check the resentment > about build failures. They are simply an inevitable consequence of > using a very old and broken tool that should only be used by people > with substantial port-handling experience. > You are right that there wasn't a warning, and that was a major > mistake that should not have happened. security/openssl and > security/openssl111 should have contained messages about this switch. > Adam Weinberger I suppose what you say about portmaster applies equally to portupgrade? I get the impression that synth and its dependency gcc6-aux are falling into desuetude if not actually officially deprecated. gcc6-aux has not been updated while gcc is up tp 8.3 and 9.2. I have never used poudriere, guess I will have to learn how if I stay with FreeBSD. NetBSD pkgsrc also has its problems: has been ported to many other mostly (quasi-)Unix OSes including FreeBSD, but I never tried pkgsrcc outside NetBSD, don't think I really want to. DragonFlyBSD switched from pkgsrc to dports, and Haiku switched from pkgsrc to Haikuports. Upgrading a large number of ports with portmaster usually required many runs, correcting the errors after each run, waiting for updates for broken ports. Tom