From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 27 20:43:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AB016A408; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFA213C483; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:43:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (obsolete.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2RKh8NT066218; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:43:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l2RKgg5v064075; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:42:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l2RKgg6X064074; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:42:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:42:41 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20070327204241.GA64053@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200703262036.l2QKaix7039741@freefall.freebsd.org> <4608458E.40405@performancedesign.no> <20070327054334.GL58115@elvandar.org> <200703271026.28933.jhb@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200703271026.28933.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Remko Lodder , Remko Lodder , hadarai@bsd.ee, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/75317: [ata] [busdma] ATA DMA broken on PCalpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:43:11 -0000 On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:26:28AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote.. > On Tuesday 27 March 2007 01:43:34 am Remko Lodder wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:13:34AM +0200, Idar Tollefsen wrote: > > > >On Monday 26 March 2007 04:36:44 pm Remko Lodder wrote: > > > >>Synopsis: [ata] [busdma] ATA DMA broken on PCalpha > > > >> > > > >>State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > > > >>State-Changed-By: remko > > > >>State-Changed-When: Mon Mar 26 20:36:44 UTC 2007 > > > >>State-Changed-Why: > > > >>alpha is no longer supported and time will not be invested to get things > > > >>fixed. Our apologies for our lack of attention for this issue. > > > > > > > >What the heck?!!! I just posted a patch to the list for this TODAY. > > > >Please reopen this bug. Alpha may not be in 7.0, but since 6.x is still > a > > > >supported branch it is still a supported platform, and fixes that go into > > > >6.x are still very welcome. > > > > > > Yes, I sort of wondered what was going on. We get these reminders about > > > bug reports filed against FreeBSD/Alpha sent to us at freebsd-alpha@ > > > once a month and when someone actually DOES something about it, the bug > > > is closed before the patch can tested and committed? > > > > > > Please don't do that. > > > > > > I for one appreciate the work and effort, John. > > > > > > > > > - Idar > > > > Don't misunderstand me, I also appriciate the work of John and the other > > committers; though most alpha PR's are stale and unlikely to get resolved > > anytime soon (read: never). I dont want to uphold something that isn't > > going to get fixed, and yes that would mean stepping on some people's toes > > from time to time, in that case we can actively do something about the > > specific tickets while the others well just fade out. > > > > Thanks for the feedback though, the ticket had been reopened and apologies > > had been made in the ticket. > > I think it was a bit of a misunderstanding actually and I might have > overreacted a bit. Apparently there's been some noise in the PR + core team > about closing Alpha PR's and that just happened to collide with my finally > sending a patch out for testing yesterday. :) If there is a decision that is > made wrt Alpha PR's, it would be helpful to at least have some sort of > announcement made on the alpha@ mailing list. I think we should hold off on > doing too much de-support of Alpha though until we truly de-support it when > we stop supporting 6.x. That is still the official story. Also true is that most alpha PRs still in the system have been there for a long time. Some of them are quite hardware model dependent, just to complicate matters. Dunno.. I'm too biased with regards to the Alpha port deorbiting to comment further. Wilko -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org