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From: Felix Friedlander In-Reply-To: <56FB5230.2070703@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:35:08 +1100 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: References: <56FB5230.2070703@holgerdanske.com> To: David Christensen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:35:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_86157C19-2AAD-455A-AEB7-F41F897C3831 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 30 Mar 2016, at 15:12, David Christensen = wrote: >=20 > freebsd-questions: >=20 > Thank you for the replies so far. :-) >=20 >=20 > Is there such a thing as a "reference laptop" that FreeBSD is = developed and validated against? No. At least, not that I=E2=80=99ve ever heard of. Alternative answer: whatever the developers happen to be using at the = time :-) > Failing that, I'm going to lower the bar and ask if there are *any* = laptops that meet my basic needs OOTB: >=20 > I'm looking for a new or used laptop that is known to work > correctly with FreeBSD 10.2, Xfce, Firefox, Thunderbird, (whatever > free) Office, etc., plus encryption and virtualisation. I think what might be helpful would be a list of what *not* to buy. = Here=E2=80=99s what I=E2=80=99ve found: * Broadcom wireless cards are a no-go. (Broadcom Ethernet is fine = though.) * Stay away from Skylake at the moment if you want maximal hardware = support. Most issues will probably be fixed over time, but right now = it=E2=80=99s not quite perfect. * Several laptops have EFI implementations known to cause problems - = look before you buy. Other than this, FreeBSD has played fairly OK with most laptop hardware = I=E2=80=99ve tried. 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