From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 18:43:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: net@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B74106566C for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [66.92.79.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECF58FC17 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5DIhdK6078365; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m5DIhdtS078362; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18514.49115.708560.587859@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:43:39 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <48525428.9000703@FreeBSD.org> References: <4851CC95.8070902@psg.com> <4851CD9D.3010801@isc.org> <200806130311.m5D3BD5m063745@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <48525428.9000703@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 21) "Educational Television" XEmacs Lucid X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu Cc: net@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ssh window X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:43:41 -0000 < said: > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Am I the only one who would be happier if openssh were not in the base >> system at all? > Quite possibly :) > I don't think it's at all viable to ship FreeBSD without an ssh client > in this day and age. If that were what I had suggested, you might have a point. I'm want FreeBSD to ship with an ssh client, too. I just want it shipped as a package, so that it's easier to delete when I'm ready to replace it with one that meets my requirements (about an hour after install). Having it be easier to update when there's a security issue would be an added bonus. -GAWollman