From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 23:46:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A90D16A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:46:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7738543D55 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:45:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBNi2Ys025080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:44:02 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id iBBNhkFi025072; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:43:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:43:46 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20041211234346.GG16539@alzatex.com> References: <20041210082138.GF32126@alzatex.com> <200412101550.iBAFogW21751@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200412101550.iBAFogW21751@clunix.cl.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: Linux kernel on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:46:19 -0000 On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 10:50:40AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > Most people who run FreeBSD (the enlightened) are especially attracted by > the reliability as one of its main features. Most people who complain > about FreeBSD (the unenlightened, of course...) are unhappy with its > userland features. Given this, why would someone want a less reliable > kernel matched with a less feature-ful userland - eg. Linux kernel with > FreeBSD userland? Actually, I am fine with freebsd's userland and like it very much. I chose freebsd over linux for setting up a mail server for a customer after using linux for 6 years and freebsd for only 3 months because I liked the userland better. Everything seemed so consistent and using rc.conf to configure it was nice. My biggest reasons for having all my freebsd machines dual boot with linux is because of the kernel, drivers that aren't supported under freebsd and a couple programs. One machine I boot into linux less than once a month, and it's only because it supports my creative extigy remote control feature which is real nice when using my laptop to watch dvd movies on my tv. I do feal that freebsd 4.x has always been more reliable than linux since I've been using, but 5.x seems a little less reliable than linux 2.4, but I'm sure that will change after a little while. But, the reliabity of linux is fine for my purposes, one of our linux server has 120 days uptime with no maintainence needed. > > Driver support is mainly a matter of weight in the marketplace. > Hardware vendors want to market to the (unwashed) masses because of > presumed volume of sales and don't give much attention to the relatively > small niche that is the (enlightened) FreeBSD user. Of course the > 1000 ton rabid gorilla in the market is MS. Out of greed or terror, every > hardware vendor creates drivers themselves for MS first. But Linux has > just enough weight to get most, but not all, of the hardware vendors to > give at least some support to making drivers for it - at least the specs. > Unfortunately, FreeBSD is thought to have low enough weight in the market > that many (unenlightened) hardware vendors will not provide any support for > driver development for FreeBSD and some will not even release information > that can be used by others to write drivers. Some (enlightened) vendors do > give some about of support or at least release specs for driver development. > So, make a point of buying from (enlightened) vendors whose hardware will > support FreeBSD and thus help support enlightenment in the digital community. I would like to help enlighten hardware vendors, but I was suggesting this as a temporary cruch until this happens. I would ultimately prefer to stick with a solid freebsd system, but it's a pain rebooting just to sync my sony clie that was a $200 christmas present from my parents. > > ////jerry > > > -- > > I sense much NT in you. > > NT leads to Bluescreen. > > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > > Downtime leads to suffering. > > NT is the path to the darkside. > > Powerful Unix is. > > > > Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. 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