From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 12 15:07:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFA5AEFC; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (mail.turbocat.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:d16:4514::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACFCF75C; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop015.home.selasky.org (cm-176.74.213.204.customer.telag.net [176.74.213.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5311B1FE023; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:07:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5501ABCA.7020203@selasky.org> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:07:54 +0100 From: Hans Petter Selasky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding new media types to if_media.h References: <20150226230031.GN17947@glebius.int.ru> <20150227192310.GR17947@glebius.int.ru> <1919032.aFEK3un8ig@ralph.baldwin.cx> In-Reply-To: <1919032.aFEK3un8ig@ralph.baldwin.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Adrian Chadd , mike@karels.net, "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" , Gleb Smirnoff , Jack Vogel , Eric Joyner X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:07:13 -0000 On 02/28/15 13:28, John Baldwin wrote: > On Friday, February 27, 2015 10:23:10 PM Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 08:25:59PM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> A> [snip] >> A> >> A> I think Mike's approach is good - it makes it easy to MFC to 10.2 >> A> since there's extended lifecycle stuff to do there - and then we can >> A> plan out how do the "betterer" fix after it's landed and churned >> A> things. >> >> ... and we will be ought to support the "betterer" fix along with >> the "not so betterer" for a very long time. >> >> The rock on which we split in this argument is that some developers >> write their code for stable/x and then forward-port it to head, >> focused on quality of result for stable/x; while other developers >> do the opposite: write code to head, then consider or not consider >> merging it stable/x. > > No, this is not quite true. Some folks have to write drivers on HEAD but also > support running those drivers on older branches. The MFC's get harder when > you have very different APIs on the different branches. It's already harder > to test stat changes now since it requires completely different patches for > <= 10 (the only thing people are supposed to use in production) vs head due to > if_getcounter() and friends. Also, since 11 won't be out until 2016, that is > far, far too long to wait for more media types. The stuff we need to support > is already shipping in products today. We can't not support these in 10 (and > possibly 9). > Any news on this issue? Is anyone working on a solution for -head ? --HPS