From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 3 22:42:50 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 3 22:42:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E62337B400 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D93AE573C4; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:42:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:42:58 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Boris Popov Cc: Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks Message-ID: <20001204004258.A54339@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <20001203195226.A53011@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from bp@butya.kz on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 12:18:55PM +0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 12:18:55PM +0600, Boris Popov scribbled: | On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Michael C . Wu wrote: | > Boris, How much is USD$170,000.00 in Russian Rubles? | > And if you do not mind, please give us a rough estimate of how much | > a Russian kernel hacker gets paid an year? :) | > | > USD$510,000.00 for copyright, code, and one unix-guru's 6 months' work. | > Hmmm, where do I sign up for the job? :) | Well, lets do some calculations to convert these trailing zeros | to a monthly "salary": | | 170000 / 6 = 28333.3(3) | 510000 / 6 = 85000.00 | | The first number is about 18 - 36 times bigger than the monthly | salary of the good C/C++ programmer (one may calculate the same for a | second number, I don't wan't to look at result :). Eg, if you find a way | to transfer money to the CIS area, then someone (possibly a group of | people) can easily dedicate 12 hours per day for this task :) Why, here are some stats regarding programmers in Taiwan and China: (Taiwan has a much higher living standard than China) Taiwan: CS phD./MS graduates with up to 4 years experience from NTU/NCTU/NTHU/NCKU (The top 4 technical school in Taiwan, graduates usually go abroad to study in MIT/Stanford/Cambridge/Berkelely/Oxford. Yes, your VIA chipsets, D-Link boards, Realtek, Abit, Asus, et al. were designed by these people) NTD$60000/month = USD$2000/month Excellent programmers in Taiwan, professors, IEEE-CS/ACM Fellows in OS or Filesystems = USD$4000/month $170000/6 ~= $28000/month ($28000/month)/($4000/month) = 7 times China: CS phd/ms graduates with 4 years experience from various top of the line universities. (China's whole population competing for 50000 (at most) enrollment seats. cream of the crop) RMB$1000/month = USD$200/month Excellent programmers, professors, IEEE-CS/ACM Fellows specializing in filesystems in China= USD$400/month $170000/6 ~= $28000/month ($28000/month)/($400/month) = 70 times Hence, if I were to take Terry's consulting contracts at half price and contract them out in various other countries. I could be making 50%-75% profit and maybe produce a possibly better product in a much shorter timeframe. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message