From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Wed Sep 2 03:58:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D639C8839 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 03:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from mst-rip6-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu (mst-rip6-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu [198.209.50.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "um-tip1.um.umsystem.edu", Issuer "InCommon RSA Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E19CDABF for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 03:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2D/BAAzcuZV/9CeoM9dgxuBQ8YnAoFDPBABAQEBAQEBfwuEJAEBBHgRAgEIIRYPCQMCAQIBICUCBA0IAQGIKsUaAYRNDCCLboRAGDqELAWVQwGnYCaCEBuBVII5gQUBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A2D/BAAzcuZV/9CeoM9dgxuBQ8YnAoFDPBABAQEBAQEBfwuEJAEBBHgRAgEIIRYPCQMCAQIBICUCBA0IAQGIKsUaAYRNDCCLboRAGDqELAWVQwGnYCaCEBuBVII5gQUBAQE Received: from um-ncas4.um.umsystem.edu ([207.160.158.208]) by mst-rip6-exch-relay.um.umsystem.edu with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2015 22:57:10 -0500 Received: from UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu ([169.254.5.65]) by UM-NCAS4.um.umsystem.edu ([207.160.158.208]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 22:57:10 -0500 From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" To: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Future of CTM Thread-Topic: Future of CTM Thread-Index: AQHQ5EH5Ny+5s+hUPUmtzgnh5dB/Y54o8i0A Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 03:57:09 +0000 Message-ID: <55E67394.2050706@missouri.edu> References: <55E4DE6F.8060808@wemm.org> In-Reply-To: <55E4DE6F.8060808@wemm.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 x-originating-ip: [207.160.158.194] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <2121F91A5ECA95438B4F96B10E69F8AB@missouri.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 03:58:21 -0000 It seems to me that very few people use CTM. The simple changes Peter Wemm asks for probably aren't that hard to implement (e.g. use sha256 instead of md5), but anything beyond that requires a lot of man-hours on someone's part. And it seems to me that in total less man-hours would be used if current CTM users were forced to find an alternative method to get their updates. I really don't mind continuing to run CTM. But if the FreeBSD project doesn't want to host it on their servers any more, I find it hard to argue with them. Someone else should provide a server to keep the deltas. And someone else needs to provide a mailman server. And people do need to beware of the inherent security risks - or people could submit patches to the code to solve the problems Peter Wemm brings up. The response I got to announcing that CTM might end was extremely underwhelming. People who want it either need to step up to the plate, or they need to accept its demise. Stephen=