From owner-svn-src-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 10 20:31:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5026710656AA; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (cl-162.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:4830:1200:a1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19D18FC08; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8AKVuXk056518; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:31:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n8AKVuU7056517; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:31:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:31:56 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20090910203156.GA55545@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <200909101404.n8AE41C6021588@svn.freebsd.org> <1252592951.49151.3.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <1252595839.75144.26.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <9bbcef730909100836l3835825cy83082a2cfe4da0c3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9bbcef730909100836l3835825cy83082a2cfe4da0c3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:31:57 -0500 (CDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-stable@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson , svn-src-stable-8@FreeBSD.org, Ken Smith , Ken Smith Subject: Re: svn commit: r197065 - in stable/8: etc/defaults lib/libc/stdlib sys/amd64/conf sys/i386/conf sys/ia64/conf sys/pc98/conf sys/powerpc/conf sys/sparc64/conf X-BeenThere: svn-src-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for all the -stable branches of the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:31:34 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:36:56PM +0200, Ivan Voras wrote: > 2009/9/10 Ken Smith : > > On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:29 +0100, Gavin Atkinson wrote: >=20 > >> This seems like a step backwards to me: crash dumps have been left > >> enabled in 7.x and have proved very useful from the point of view of > >> improved quality of received PRs. ??I'm not aware of any problems > >> relating to leaving them enabled. > >> > >> I'd appreciate it if this decision was reconsidered. > >> > > > > Unfortunately as I said before there is no "Right answer" for this one. >=20 > No, but there is an "80% right" one, based on the question: did the > change in 7 cause known problems for any significant number of users > (or one of two big users - that should be enough). Given that we've shipped three releases with it this way we should have an answer here. If we can't identify real problem instances by now, there probably aren't significant ones in practice. IMO, we have always gone too far in disabling debugging. -- Brooks --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFKqWI7XY6L6fI4GtQRApVRAJ9lNRRakKrMBkKAk7k86/LTCDc8FgCglCMY UU+/Ic0xHH2niGUX7iXKafs= =Mye5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL--