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Date:      Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:33:08 -0500
From:      Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>
To:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: My wish list for 6.1
Message-ID:  <20051222173308.B23728@cons.org>
In-Reply-To: <20051217080109.GA31849@xor.obsecurity.org>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 03:01:09AM -0500
References:  <43A26FFB.9080405@samsco.org> <20051216104022.A20877@cons.org> <20051217063409.GB19094@silverwraith.com> <20051217080109.GA31849@xor.obsecurity.org>

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Kris Kennaway wrote on Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 03:01:09AM -0500: 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 10:34:09PM -0800, Avleen Vig wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 10:40:22AM -0500, Martin Cracauer wrote:
> > > > 2.  SMP kernels for install.  Right now we only install a UP kernel, for
> > > > performance reasons.  We should be able to package both a UP and SMP
> > > > kernel into the release bits, and have sysinstall install both.  It 
> > > > should also select the correct one for the target system and make that
> > > > the default on boot.
> > > 
> > > If people are concerned about performance, I benchmarked a 6-beta
> > > kernel SMP versus UP on a socket 939 Opteron.
> > 
> > If those results are accurate, there's no real reason not to just use an
> > SMP kernel on default install?
> 
> Just because it didn't manifest on this workload, doesn't mean it
> doesn't on others.  I think this is the point :)

I tried to model different worklods.  The parallel part of my
benchmark suite has CPU-heavy processes, short plain http, php, long
plain http and mixtures thereof.

None of these showed the SMP kernel to be an overall disadvantage on a
one-processor system.

However, the tradeoffs are different.  The SMP kernel further
increases the tendency that FreeBSD had all along to give CPU eaters
more resources, disk and network I/O less, compared to Linux.

Whether this is good or bad is open for discussion.  From a traffic
control standpoint you can both argue that it is better to get the CPU
demands out of the way instead of getting more I/O done only to have
the I/Oing processes then pile up in the already overcrowded
CPU-demanding corner - and you can argue that you should get I/O done
ASAP so that the I/O-initiating process doesn't hang around
neccessaryily long.

This is for both schedulers.  I don't think this tendency is directly
caused by the scheduler, it is probably the I/O subsystems coercing
the scheduler, not the other way round.

Martin
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