From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 26 09:22:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C424E6AD1 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd00000ac2c9.52150ff8aa223baa7cbea7720df58a77@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DQ1TM54jmz3GkY for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd00000ac2c9.52150ff8aa223baa7cbea7720df58a77@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1611652920; x=1614244920; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=yCBeNkFWokTHRErT0c0ArfO2Gh47PIBSu8YAHOo33Qc=; b=vukcDtJ6lN6CF9RpO0liO7dbAUAD5HGCOepJ6NYC9aJIu7Btc3hE+Lx76RWTltTTY7uv45LxlyLoMokfaqZYCpCzG5wuRbga1NFrML1CJA2FbuMvKtmDnvn6bxdgaJUY7HToo47GJs3tRzfr0ZAEgpu0uLCtO8qqRwSC1Fi0mSg= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZDAwMDAwYWMyYzkuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:21:48 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:21:47 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1l4KXi-000FFX-3j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:21:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:21:45 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xorg crashes several times a day Message-Id: <20210126092145.58c1f5bbdccfdd6e02748b5a@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DQ1TM54jmz3GkY X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=vukcDtJ6; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4cd00000ac2c9.52150ff8aa223baa7cbea7720df58a77@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4cd00000ac2c9.52150ff8aa223baa7cbea7720df58a77@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd00000ac2c9.52150ff8aa223baa7cbea7720df58a77@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd00000ac2c9.52150ff8aa223baa7cbea7720df58a77@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:22:00 -0000 On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 15:50:16 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > I still fail to understand why /boot/kernel/i915kms.ko is there at all > as part of the GENERIC kernel if it does not work. As best as I can understand it the module (and the whole in-tree drm stack) does work for older hardware but is increasingly troublesome on newer hardware and has been slated for removal and replacement by the port following a deprecation policy which means it hasn't quite gone yet. In the old days when there was talk of Vikings taking axes to the tree it would probably have been removed some time ago and there would have been period of complaint about the sudden need to install a port. No policy is perfect. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith