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Date:      Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:46:27 -0400
From:      John Von Essen <john@essenz.com>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD and MacOS
Message-ID:  <CC369754-CC92-11D8-B156-0003933DDCFA@essenz.com>
In-Reply-To: <40E4BA4E.4060007@trio.plala.or.jp>
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I think when I originally started this thread it had to do with  
confusion concerning what constitutes current OS X. I know rhapsody  
started with heavy OPENSTEP 4.2 influence, but it seems that some major  
changes have occurred since rhapsody/10.0 and current 10.3. The  
OPENSTEP stuff gave them a good start, but once they got started things  
evolved and FreeBSD is now more of an influence - which is good!

As for darwin. I remember when darwin was made available for free  
download, I put it on my g3 imac. It had no gui, just shell interface,  
and lacked alot of tools. If I remember correctly, you had to manually  
ifconfig your network devices.

Since OPENSTEP kernel had an x86 port, its not to far off to conclude  
that darwin could be run on x86 - but I think all the x86 talk was just  
hypothetical - would only happen in real life if some hardcore coders  
had alot of spare time on their hands...

-john

On Jul 1, 2004, at 9:28 PM, Eitarou Kamo wrote:

> HI Justin,
>
> Justin Walker wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2004, at 5:28, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Darwin, as the underpinnings for Mac OS X, is entirely open source,  
>> in the sense that you can build a running Darwin system from the  
>> open-source code available from Apple. You can't completely replace  
>> corresponding components in Mac OS X with code from the Darwin code  
>> base and have a working system (some frameworks/libraries are only  
>> partially open source).
>>
>> Some components of the kernel are not open-source, but they are not  
>> needed to build a Darwin system, or to build a kernel that can  
>> replace the one you have on a running Mac OS X system. These  
>> components are loadable kernel modules, and as such, will load into a  
>> rebuilt kernel of the same version level.
>>
>> Hope that isn't too confusing.
>>
> It may be OK, I guess. I didn't know Darwin well so far. and
> I'm not going to port or derive Darwin to other systems. But
> I'm interested in a bit.
>
> Eitarou
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