From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 12 15:06:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAD816A401 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06AB13C4A5 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B201ABF13 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:47:11 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: P/teOgisEttUC9sJaxarwvDNF6HWULCN7Ga9sN8zz8XB 1171291631 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B9A70AC for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:47:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <006801c74d91$b0430f50$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> References: <200702100157.22538.lists@jnielsen.net> <006801c74d91$b0430f50$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--288925623; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: <85632DF2-B305-4EB3-A82C-23E4EB559014@goldmark.org> From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:49:55 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:06:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--288925623 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed [I had originally meant to post this to the list, but had mailed it the individual poster instead (who send a very nice reply)] On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a > lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more > popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is > used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the > alternatives are more used on home or small servers. I should point out that exim is used by large ISPs (mostly in Europe) and during its development had a great deal of input from what was then the largest ISP in the UK. Postfix is used by fastmail.fm and other dedicated mail providers. > The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to > use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re- > using in the future. A few years ago I would have said the same thing. Indeed when I set up MTAs for clients I went with sendmail because my clients would have a broader base of support if I were to be run over by a bus. But I feel that that has changed. And the advantages of exim or postfix are strong enough and there is a growing base of people with experience with them, particularly postfix. Sendmail suffers from its extreme age and in the distant environment in which it was developed. Sendmail does things with its configuration file ((2)821) address parsing for example) that should be hard coded, while it hard codes things (like the 1 second throttling increment) that should be in a configuration file. The big plus for sendmail is milters. This is a plug-in system that I find extremely valuable. Anyway, I'm not going to recommend one above the other. The original poster can't really go wrong with either sendmail, exim or postfix. I'm in the process of setting up postfix because that host's mail will almost entirely be as a list server and mailman integration seems best with postfix (which I want to learn anyway). I just don't find the "sendmail is everywhere" case as strong as I used to. I should also say that when running mail at a small university, moving from sendmail to exim in the 1990s was such relief. Even with all of the m4 stuff, sendmail is much harder to maintain and configure than either exim or postfix. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ --Apple-Mail-1--288925623--