From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 18:55:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2603B16A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF1544005 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5F3654B7; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 02:55:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01900-01-2; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 02:55:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from saboteur.dek.spc.org (lardystuffer.demon.co.uk [212.228.40.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FF4654A1; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 02:55:14 +0100 (BST) Received: by saboteur.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 436E41F; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 02:55:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 02:55:10 +0100 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Harti Brandt Message-ID: <20031004015510.GC658@saboteur.dek.spc.org> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615064011.02e39eb8@194.184.65.4> <20031001181759.GA65157@pit.databus.com> <20031001182507.GA24453@saboteur.dek.spc.org> <20031002095224.L11328@beagle.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031002095224.L11328@beagle.fokus.fraunhofer.de> cc: Barney Wolff cc: esperti@gufi.org cc: net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ADSL PPoA or RFC1483, any solutions ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:55:34 -0000 On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:53:08AM +0200, Harti Brandt wrote: > Does PPPoA really need signalling? I tried to find any pointers to PPPoA > specification, but this seems to be not easy to find. I was probably half asleep when I wrote that answer :) it's been a stressful week. I should correct myself - more often than not ISPs just use PVCs. The userland PPP could probably be run on top of a device node exporting the PVC. I prefer the idea of in-kernel ppp, though, for 1Mbps+ xDSL use. BMS