From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 8 03:38:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC7916A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 03:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from amsfep13-int.chello.nl (amsfep13-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E0E43D2F for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 03:38:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.schim@netmaniacs.nl) Received: from nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl ([212.142.29.165]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nlESMTP <20040308113848.GVSG8266.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl>; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:38:48 +0100 Received: from hume.intra.bowtie.nl (hume.intra.bowtie.nl [192.168.4.13]) i28Bcf5r020533; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:38:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j.schim@netmaniacs.nl) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:38:41 +0100 From: Joao Schim To: dashevil@sympatico.ca Message-Id: <20040308123841.7be93c08.j.schim@netmaniacs.nl> In-Reply-To: <20040308063951.VMBB16454.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> References: <20040308063951.VMBB16454.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> Organization: NetManiacs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:38:51 -0000 On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 1:39:52 -0500 wrote: > [This isn't offtopic, I just rant a bit first, sorry :p] > Like Joe Sixpack is ever gonna install an OS by himself. Why concentrate on the installer bit when talking about GUI enhancement ? Yes, when using windows (or redhat for that matter) you get to reinstall your OS quite often, with FreeBSD on the other hand it is a rare occasion. So why spill so much energy on something so little used ? I'd say you need to concentrate on a desktop environment when you want more userbase. Kick out crashy KDE and must-be-1337 gnome and create a decent environment created around the user instead of around technology. I really doubt the gnome or kde guys ever heard of usability. I'm not saying windows is all that, definitely not, but kde/gnome are just a nightmare for not-so-technical users. Besides that i can't really imagine why anybody would still believe that the 'windows method' of seeing files as icons and such are the way to go. After all those years there must have been a better method developed. Lets just take that and put it in a new BSD licensed desktop environment. Or atleast build a solid API for UI calls system wide. Yeah yeah, i'll go back to sleep now, continue dreaming. :)