From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 11 06:33:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3648244 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 06:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fs.denninger.net (wsip-70-169-168-7.pn.at.cox.net [70.169.168.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "NewFS.denninger.net", Issuer "NewFS.denninger.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D837660 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 06:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fs.denninger.net (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s8B6X2aC034085 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 01:33:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (TLS/SSL) [192.168.1.40] by Spamblock-sys (LOCAL/AUTH); Thu Sep 11 01:33:02 2014 Message-ID: <54114217.9040403@denninger.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 01:32:55 -0500 From: Karl Denninger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: getting to 4K disk blocks in ZFS References: <540FF3C4.6010305@ish.com.au> <54100258.2000505@freebsd.org> <5410F0B4.9040808@ish.com.au> <54114029.3060507@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <54114029.3060507@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050807010805000508040107" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 06:33:14 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050807010805000508040107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9/11/2014 1:24 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote: > On 11/09/2014 04:22, Steven Hartland wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aristedes Maniatis" >>> Should the FreeBSD project change this minimum in the next release? >>> There seems to be no downside and a huge amount of pain for people >>> who stumble along with the defaults not knowing what a mess they are >>> creating to solve later. >> The downside is wasted space which can be significant and hence when >> I last suggested just this it was unfortunately rejected. >> >> We still maintain a local patch to our source tree which does just >> this because, as you've mentioned, we don't want the pain so its >> easier to just run everything as 4k. > > Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128. > Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've never= had a > need to manually tweak ashift. > It works great until you start replacing older disks with new, larger=20 ones and find out that the new ones are 4k where the old ones were not...= =2E. IMHO at this point in time it's worth considering a 4k default. -- Karl --------------ms050807010805000508040107 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFTzCC BUswggQzoAMCAQICAQgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgZ0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRAwDgYDVQQI EwdGbG9yaWRhMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlOaWNldmlsbGUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBM TEMxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ExLzAtBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWIGN1c3Rv bWVyLXNlcnZpY2VAY3VkYXN5c3RlbXMubmV0MB4XDTEzMDgyNDE5MDM0NFoXDTE4MDgyMzE5 MDM0NFowWzELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExFzAVBgNVBAMTDkthcmwg RGVubmluZ2VyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJrYXJsQGRlbm5pbmdlci5uZXQwggIiMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBAQUAA4ICDwAwggIKAoICAQC5n2KBrBmG22nVntVdvgKCB9UcnapNThrW1L+dq6th d9l4mj+qYMUpJ+8I0rTbY1dn21IXQBoBQmy8t1doKwmTdQ59F0FwZEPt/fGbRgBKVt3Quf6W 6n7kRk9MG6gdD7V9vPpFV41e+5MWYtqGWY3ScDP8SyYLjL/Xgr+5KFKkDfuubK8DeNqdLniV jHo/vqmIgO+6NgzPGPgmbutzFQXlxUqjiNAAKzF2+Tkddi+WKABrcc/EqnBb0X8GdqcIamO5 SyVmuM+7Zdns7D9pcV16zMMQ8LfNFQCDvbCuuQKMDg2F22x5ekYXpwjqTyfjcHBkWC8vFNoY 5aFMdyiN/Kkz0/kduP2ekYOgkRqcShfLEcG9SQ4LQZgqjMpTjSOGzBr3tOvVn5LkSJSHW2Z8 Q0dxSkvFG2/lsOWFbwQeeZSaBi5vRZCYCOf5tRd1+E93FyQfpt4vsrXshIAk7IK7f0qXvxP4 GDli5PKIEubD2Bn+gp3vB/DkfKySh5NBHVB+OPCoXRUWBkQxme65wBO02OZZt0k8Iq0i4Rci WV6z+lQHqDKtaVGgMsHn6PoeYhjf5Al5SP+U3imTjF2aCca1iDB5JOccX04MNljvifXgcbJN nkMgrzmm1ZgJ1PLur/ADWPlnz45quOhHg1TfUCLfI/DzgG7Z6u+oy4siQuFr9QT0MQIDAQAB o4HWMIHTMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIF4DAsBglg hkgBhvhCAQ0EHxYdT3BlblNTTCBHZW5lcmF0ZWQgQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUwHQYDVR0OBBYEFHw4 +LnuALyLA5Cgy7T5ZAX1WzKPMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaAFF3U3hpBZq40HB5VM7B44/gmXiI0MDgG CWCGSAGG+EIBAwQrFilodHRwczovL2N1ZGFzeXN0ZW1zLm5ldDoxMTQ0My9yZXZva2VkLmNy bDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEAZ0L4tQbBd0hd4wuw/YVqEBDDXJ54q2AoqQAmsOlnoxLO 31ehM/LvrTIP4yK2u1VmXtUumQ4Ao15JFM+xmwqtEGsh70RRrfVBAGd7KOZ3GB39FP2TgN/c L5fJKVxOqvEnW6cL9QtvUlcM3hXg8kDv60OB+LIcSE/P3/s+0tEpWPjxm3LHVE7JmPbZIcJ1 YMoZvHh0NSjY5D0HZlwtbDO7pDz9sZf1QEOgjH828fhtborkaHaUI46pmrMjiBnY6ujXMcWD pxtikki0zY22nrxfTs5xDWGxyrc/cmucjxClJF6+OYVUSaZhiiHfa9Pr+41okLgsRB0AmNwE f6ItY3TI8DGCBQowggUGAgEBMIGjMIGdMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECBMHRmxvcmlk YTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRwwGgYD VQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMS8wLQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFiBjdXN0b21lci1zZXJ2 aWNlQGN1ZGFzeXN0ZW1zLm5ldAIBCDAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIICOzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJ KoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xNDA5MTEwNjMyNTVaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEW BBSGr85Bc6yoBK3wRF/4WAjXUEzBzTBsBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xXzBdMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBKjAL BglghkgBZQMEAQIwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFA MAcGBSsOAwIHMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMIG0BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxgaYwgaMwgZ0xCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMRAwDgYDVQQIEwdGbG9yaWRhMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlOaWNldmlsbGUxGTAXBgNVBAoT EEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ExLzAtBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWIGN1c3RvbWVyLXNlcnZpY2VAY3VkYXN5c3RlbXMubmV0AgEIMIG2BgsqhkiG 9w0BCRACCzGBpqCBozCBnTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExEjAQBgNV BAcTCU5pY2V2aWxsZTEZMBcGA1UEChMQQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQzEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQ3Vk YSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQTEvMC0GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYgY3VzdG9tZXItc2VydmljZUBjdWRh c3lzdGVtcy5uZXQCAQgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggIAcybxWCNHCK/ECs4el2aXUEFwcM4I +CzN1NgBd0aR41EZh8l2vWrySgWXPu1LZ4P7IJ7zBePlhSYFmgZ5Dgzdv93Tv8uEURUW8HJZ qGjgArlzs0hziNrWkM6DFqmK76/Cuj5rL47I+Ejp6VJMUeoQI6/cTJDZsWVWl/HRMhCIJqzB hxd11/hTMvVkMLaPtEej6zibWGPIA3CTX8m7CnRQUm/mFaQ/6xcKwr3mOPPOzVB6uG3Zskm9 polqdgcYmIIHZ3rS/0n5lsP1WPdbJP7YLfHwdDJZEkw6BZvQSD2wB1looZGDFv4hoHyivsOl 3Qgb0xrWPZ43YIqs94gEPgLEleUwlyCj3OrRL7noCLpy1VvzbFh9BiuAny2FHUByAGsiwMMu mbD2qK0Mrmj+pG6S3+pxul7uteViUx6Tvlsu+1ntLABGgEdTYvkfWc6xXCfjRZprwPOcSd8t 6e+EBgEOu1M+5acdVu1pWCyM4uO/7MvzWmZffjzH9qVzRz54SdkrIuu3pfyR7X7V/30UI1Ze xCD9/j7hgunOLbEaAPK1rdcGbsOvEzX9JJDeb45lfxBbh/lEwSD5DdLgiU5nBJ63yvTvDwwD +8+RqPlACZVFlBM1oucc0YlDipiS0SIHMVLcU9n2R6g14s4OS8A2E6yMkOPFynEA1exdaHJK 9tMCCZMAAAAAAAA= --------------ms050807010805000508040107--