From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 20 03:55:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E3B16A402 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from wolf.bytecraft.au.com (wolf.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07C443D49 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:55:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wolf.bytecraft.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3K3t2MB058001; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:55:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from wolf.bytecraft.au.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wolf.bytecraft.au.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 57643-02-3; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from svmarshal.bytecraft.au.com ([10.0.0.4]) by wolf.bytecraft.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3K3scnV057978; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:54:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.0.0.24]) by svmarshal.bytecraft.au.com with MailMarshal (v5, 0, 3, 78) id ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:54:37 +1000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:54:40 +1000 Message-ID: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F111AF35@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC Thread-Index: AcZkDS4ntY/YXgS/T5aJWR7FH4QOfQAARGYw From: "Murray Taylor" To: "Brooks Davis" , "Bruce M Simpson" , , "Eric Anderson" , Cc: Subject: RE: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:55:19 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Brooks Davis > Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 9:58 AM > To: Bruce M Simpson; cokane@cokane.org; Eric Anderson;=20 > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC >=20 > On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 12:43:43AM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Coleman Kane wrote: > > > My point is that we should let our purist values get in=20 > the way of others' > > > enhanced experience using the system. > >=20 > > My view is: We take the patch, as long as it doesn't interfere with=20 > > the internal machinations of rc too much. > >=20 > > There are good aesthetic and functional arguments on either side. > > Given the excellent work on rc to date, we have clean=20 > abstractions in=20 > > rc itself, so fitting colour-aesthetics in does not have a high=20 > > maintenance cost. >=20 > I agree with this line of reasoning. So long as things are=20 > kept modular and don't cause maintance headaches when working=20 > on the internals I'd like to see this sort of work encouraged=20 > and encorporated into the tree. While there's something to=20 > be said for console output that shows everthing there's also=20 > something to be said for console output that only shows whats=20 > actually important. Giving people room to explore other=20 > options could yeild something much better than what we currently have. >=20 > -- Brooks My 0.02c worth - one of the Unix precepts for command line tools is silence =3D no error This is to consciously aid and abet the pipelining of programs.... Which is a major strength of Unix.. >From "The Art of Unix Programming" http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html#id2877684 Also http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch11s01.html The whole site is a good read. And Albert speaks well too (see sig below) mjt -- "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." --Albert Einstein --------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material.=20 E-mails may not be secure, may contain computer viruses and may be corrupted in transmission. Please carefully check this e-mail (and any attachment) accordingly. 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