From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 15 11:02:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73A9106564A for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:02:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BC78FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so23422gxk.13 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr1531750anc.233.1284548566299; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-147-230.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.147.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r20sm2102043anf.7.2010.09.15.04.02.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63F42E5480D for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:02:41 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20100915070241.23391390@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4C906D49.5090500@gmail.com> References: <86zkvk2f92.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4C906D49.5090500@gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:02:51 -0000 On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:52:57 -0500 Joshua Isom articulated: > As to the original post, Java, a "portable" "write once run anywhere" > language, doesn't work on FreeBSD, a "standard" type operating system > that mainly runs on "standard" hardware, when used with Xorg, a > widely used "standard," as a plug in for Firefox, a major and > presumably the dominant *nix web browser. Maybe the question should > go to Oracle about why it doesn't work. A java applet probably works > on your Symbian smart phone running on ARM. Java is offered in many different versions that work on a multitude of operating systems. To expect or require, and I have no idea how you would enforce the requirement bit, Oracle or any other software vendor for that matter to design software that is fully functional on all operating systems is simply unrealistic and most likely unobtainable. There are numerous examples of software that work only on a limited number of *.nix flavors. To be made operational on other operating systems usually requires reworking the code and in many cases disabling many of the software's features. Even then there is no guarantee that it will work correctly, if at all. It took years, literally, before FreeBSD matured enough to get 64-bit drivers for nVidia working correctly on its platform. The failure to get the latest version(s) of Java working correctly on FreeBSD and thereby, at least in my case, make the latest version of Firefox fully usable, rests with the FreeBSD developers. I have not been able to ascertain exactly why Java cannot be made functional on a modern FreeBSD system. Other than receiving some useless suggestion about donating money to the Java foundation, or whatever it is called, nobody has responded with an answer. The bottom line is that Java appears to be functioning on other flavors of *.nix, but not FreeBSD. It would seem pretty obvious where the problem lies. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ What if God’s a woman? Not only am I going to hell, I’ll never know why. Adam Ferrara