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Date:      Thu, 12 Mar 2015 05:27:40 +0900
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: BBB freebsd-current backtrace. why?
Message-ID:  <5C9C39FF-CB6D-45B8-A957-06AC5BF5ED91@bsdimp.com>
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> On Mar 11, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>=20
> On Tue, 2015-03-10 at 21:09 -0700, jungle Boogie wrote:
>> Hi Jason,
>> On 10 March 2015 at 19:05, Jason Birch <jbirch@jbirch.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> They're lock order reversals, as enabled by the WITNESS kernel =
option. You
>>> probably don't need to worry, but it's helpful to check if they've =
been
>>> reported and, if not, report them.
>>>=20
>>> You might be running into this one:
>>> http://sources.zabbadoz.net/freebsd/lor/261.html
>>>=20
>>> Quick Googling turns up these resources:
>>>=20
>>> lock order reversals - what do they mean?:
>>> =
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2003-December/016617.h=
tml
>>> Glossary of Kernel Options for Debugging:
>>> =
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug-optio=
ns.html
>>> FreeBSD LOR(lock order reversal)s seen and comments:
>>> http://sources.zabbadoz.net/freebsd/lor.html
>>=20
>> Based on what Ian says, I hope these BT don't continue. Those threads
>> are very likely before the BBB was made...much less had freeBSD
>> running, so hopefully some progress has been made with freeBSD.
>=20
> The point is that those LORs are harmless.  They were declared =
harmless
> by the gurus who understand them, years ago, and apparently just by
> issuing that proclamation, it's a closed subject and we all just have =
to
> live with the spewage.

Except that=E2=80=99s not entirely true. There are some that are known =
to be harmless,
but others that aren=E2=80=99t. Sadly, there=E2=80=99s no way to mark =
the harmless ones in
the source.

Some LoRs are harmless, others lead to deadlock.

Warner


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