From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 01:52:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049B0106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (DMZ-MAILSEC-SCANNER-2.MIT.EDU [18.9.25.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B508FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:52:01 +0000 (UTC) X-AuditID: 1209190d-b7fbf6d0000008ba-9d-4f3db2c0d7bc Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id D6.60.02234.0C2BD3F4; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id q1H1q0Y6000949; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:52:00 -0500 Received: from multics.mit.edu (MULTICS.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.73]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id q1H1pxNg018321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kaduk@localhost) by multics.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id q1H1pwQG022799; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:51:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:51:58 -0500 (EST) From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Ansar Mohammed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <487167524.1045003.1328751695510.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (GSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrJIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nontgk62/wcYXOhYrz61nsti++R+j A5PHjE/zWTx2zrrLHsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJWx+M8u5oKD7BWNt/6wNzB+Y+1i5OSQEDCR 6Nt3gh3CFpO4cG89WxcjF4eQwD5Gid0PO1lAEkICGxglTjyMhkgcYJJYfOYTE4TTwCjRffYE WBWLgLbE/Gs3wGw2ARWJmW82soHYIgKqEsvPnweLMwvIS1zYfIgRxBYWUJS4euc72GpOgUCJ 0x9+AtVzcPAKOEp8umUCMb+fSeLjxjtg9aICOhKr908Bm8MrIChxcuYTqJmWEuf+XGebwCg4 C0lqFpLUAkamVYyyKblVurmJmTnFqcm6xcmJeXmpRbpGermZJXqpKaWbGEGhyinJu4Px3UGl Q4wCHIxKPLxJhrb+QqyJZcWVuYcYJTmYlER5fYGBLsSXlJ9SmZFYnBFfVJqTWnyIUYKDWUmE N18GKMebklhZlVqUD5OS5mBREudV1XrnJySQnliSmp2aWpBaBJOV4eBQkuBtBRkqWJSanlqR lplTgpBm4uAEGc4DNLwEpIa3uCAxtzgzHSJ/ilGX4+6RJxcYhVjy8vNSpcR5c0GKBECKMkrz 4ObAUswrRnGgt4R5c0CqeIDpCW7SK6AlTEBLzF9YgSwpSURISTUwtu84Wrn+hfTbzapqwpbO 3DlyL0TC/OPPaNrekTM5/a0m9KxOFTM3X7+HVNTlFZ9Pzkhf8EkqMW4Py9/JOc6L6lJbGxpK KtWfh6x98WTP9kcnGB54u7R23tnJ6lTx8oA6xwr7qGUt8QXzJu5+/TWhJ/RN6l6eH5waq3xm /5q9+9frEzu2WJ/1VGIpzkg01GIuKk4EALb14t0MAwAA Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kerberos and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:52:02 -0000 On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Going back on this topic, it seems that there are alot of things that > are being shipped with FreeBSD that I am not sure we need in the base > distribution. > > Does anyone use portalfs? Maybe not ... per http://wiki.freebsd.org/NONMPSAFE_DEORBIT_VFS it is scheduled for removal from the tree in September if no one gives it some love. For things like that, which are perhaps useful to someone, somewhere, I see no harm in keeping them around if there is minimal effort in doing so. But, when there comes a point where substantial effort is required for upkeep, if there is not a visible use, removing them (with advance warning on the order of a year) seems like the right thing to do. We don't really have the manpower to make gratuitous changes to what's in the tree just for the sake of making changes, and removing anything has a chance of sparking a big flamewar. -Ben Kaduk