Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:27:14 -0453.75 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS ready drives WAS: zfs performance degradation Message-ID: <56055878.3020700@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <106217D9-F3DB-4DB5-822E-098041B5BC6F@kraus-haus.org> References: <56019211.2050307@dim.lv> <37A37E9D-9D65-4553-BBA2-C5B032163499@kraus-haus.org> <56038054.5060906@dim.lv> <782C9CEF-BE07-4E05-83ED-133B7DA96780@kraus-haus.org> <56040150.90403@dim.lv> <60BF2FC3-0342-46C9-A718-52492303522F@kraus-haus.org> <560412B2.9070905@dim.lv> <8D1FF55C-7068-4AB6-8C0E-B4E64C1BB5FA@kraus-haus.org> <56042209.8040903@dim.lv> <2008181C-F0B5-4581-9D15-11911A1DE41B@kraus-haus.org> <CAFYkXjkdUrcUUdVQW4qgSuEmtifD=mvbvf4k0vq5t9R6dtR1pQ@mail.gmail.com> <6498A090-A2A2-4580-A148-2BCBF68BF2BF@kraus-haus.org> <5605481D.10902@physics.umn.edu> <106217D9-F3DB-4DB5-822E-098041B5BC6F@kraus-haus.org>
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On 09/25/15 09:07, Paul Kraus wrote: > On Sep 25, 2015, at 9:11, Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu> wrote: > >> On 9/24/2015 7:58 PM, Paul Kraus wrote: >>> On Sep 24, 2015, at 17:40, CeDeROM <cederom@tlen.pl> wrote: >>> >>>> For RAID/NAS use ondy WD RED drives family :-) Others WILL break >>>> timings with hidden error verify mechanisms.. >>>> >>>> http://www.wdc.com/red >>> I assume you are referring to the other “color” drives. I have had no >>> issues with the RE and SE series of Datacenter drives in zpool >>> configurations. >> WD Reds are pretty solid, and I have used hundreds of them in ZFS pools without *apparent* issues, while I would never consider the blue or even less Green for this. However they're still a low-cost option - if I'd had the funds I would much rather have used SE or RE! > Your comment reminded me… one of the big reasons to only use Enterprise / Datacenter / NAS rated drives for ZFS is the way the _drive_ handles errors. Many of the consumer drives will retry a failing READ many, many times. This _can_ lead to timeout issues in the OS and ZFS. The reasoning here is that for a consumer, getting a good read is worth the extra time (I have seen reports of up to 30 seconds before giving up) because the consumer probably does not have any redundancy. With ZFS (assuming something more than a basic stripe configuration) you want the drive to return the read error to the OS as fast as it can so that the OS and ZFS can deal with it. > > I have also used WD Green and Purple drives with ZFS, but I do not expect Enterprise grade operation out of them. > > I also question the economics of the consumer drives, once you take the 5 year warranty in account. > > Looking at Newegg for 2 TB 3.5” WD drives: > > Green $79 2-year > Purple $85 3-year > Red NAS $90 3-year > Black $119 5-year > SE $130 5-year > Red Pro NAS $134 5-year > RE $153 5-year > > So the premium cost for the Red NAS is $11 over the cheapest option. > > The premium cost for a 5-year warranty (Black, not rated for 24/7 or NAS, a high end desktop drive) is $40. > > The Premium for the cheapest Datacenter drive (SE) is $51, or more than a 50% increase in cost. But the warranty is more than twice as long (2-year vs. 5-year). > > In my experience, most 5-year warranty drives fail in some way during the warranty period. This is especially true of Seagate. On my home system, 5 out of 6 Seagate ES.2 series drives failed within 5 years, the last one failed within 6 months of the warranty expiration. Half of my HGST drives have failed under warranty (so far, they have not all hit end of warranty yet), none of my WD RE or SE series have failed, but they are the youngest drives in my collection. > > So part of what I am paying for with the Datacenter drives is the knowledge that I will NOT have to pay to replace that drive for 5 years. > > -- > Paul Kraus > paul@kraus-haus.org Jumping in a bit, I have had fabulous luck w/ 7200 RPM 2.5" HGST drives, supposedly enterprise rated, batting 1.000 so far (knock, knock, knock ....). However those are *2.5"*, *NOT* 3.5". I got convinced several years ago that the 2.5" drives were better built specificationally mechanically & made the switch. There are brackets to mount 2 X 2.5" drives in a 3.5" bay, as well as kits to mount 4-6 2.5" drives in a 5.25" bay. Mind you this is for a *very* small sample, < 2 dozen, well-ventilated SOHO, *NOT* data-center, etc., but several are now 5-6 years old & so far, so good. YMMV & all that rot .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
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