From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 23 18:51:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1806C1065672 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D336C8FC13 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa02 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q0NIoKMm030617; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:51:47 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 12hc668ahf-65 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:51:47 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:51:43 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Wojciech Puchar'" , "'Damien Fleuriot'" References: <4F180C83.9090100@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:51:45 -0800 Message-ID: <00af01ccda00$0ed58070$2c808150$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLQRxvieyweenM8sTFCozfP6uax1ACNS5tAAYi5KEOUAsCHMA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-23_04:2012-01-22, 2012-01-23, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:51:49 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:25 AM > To: Damien Fleuriot > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9) > > >> Allan > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Erm, you have to realize the new installer was discussed at length here, > > when 9.0 was still under development/beta/prerelease. > > > > > > Alternatively, you could do like me and install entirely by hand: > > > > - boot an MFSBSD image (thanks mm@ ) > > - partition your disks from there (see http://my.gd/bsd.htm for a rough > > sketch on how to use gpart) > > - fetch the 9.0 archives in .txz (tar.xz) format > > - unpack archives with xz -d > > - untar archived to the mountpoint with your new filesystems (eg: tar xf > > base.tar -C /mnt) > > - customize configuration files (rc.conf, fstab, root's password or SSH > > key, sshd_config to allow root login temporarily) > > and almost like me installing previous release (FreeBSD 8) everywhere. > > i just made once bootable pendrive with system, lots of tools and > whole system as .tar.gz files (made my own compiling from cvs) > > actually i add > WITHOUT_SYSINSTALL=yes > > to make.conf so i don't build it at all. > > And IMHO sysinstall should not exist, while good documentation about > installing BY HAND should be there. > > Someone that cannot install it him/herself will not be able to ever manage > it after so why waste time. > Disagree. For example, field engineers which may not be expected to know how to manage FreeBSD _ARE_ expected to know how to install it. A manual install process is more prone to errors than one that is guided by something/anything. > Do not forget that FreeBSD is for unix users, Not all "users" are people. A corporation can be considered a "unix user" which changes the perspective quite a bit. > contrary to linux which is > for windoze haters. > > > Again i propose removing sysinstall altogether. > And you'll have your wish... over time! The community has agreed to phase out sysinstall(8) gradually over the next 2 or three releases (producing either a 10.0 or 11.0 that is free of sysinstall depending on how things progress with respect to replacement utilities such as bsdinstall and the proposed bsdconfig). -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.