From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 4 13:24:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D1837B401 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A7043EA9 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:24:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <20030104212417053003bmloe>; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 21:24:17 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h04LRVm4001273; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:27:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h04LRQoi001272; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) To: Brett Glass Cc: Mike Jeays , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <3E120659.3D60EB30@mindspring.com> <200212312041.gBVKfr183480@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <3E120659.3D60EB30@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104112015.026a5530@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104131212.03837e10@localhost> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 04 Jan 2003 13:27:26 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030104131212.03837e10@localhost> Message-ID: Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > At 11:58 AM 1/4/2003, Mike Jeays wrote: > > >GCC is a great gift to the world, > > No, it is not. It's an apple with a poison pill inside: > Richard Stallman's vicious and destructive agenda. But anyone who cares knows where the pill is located and may eat the rest of the apple. As true as your agenda crack is, we should not deny that there is a gift being granted; just not as much as we would like or as much as they lead people to believe. (Even if you want to get picky and note that a license is involved, I'll note that one need not agree to the license to compile with a gcc that one's legally acquired from someone who did agree to the license. Which, BTW, means that the liability clauses are not always effective -- a feature shared by most open source licenses including BSDLs.) > >and has made a huge difference to > >the development of open-source software. > > Yes, it has. It has made most such software dependent upon > a tool that is GPLed, which is a very bad thing. The publishing of gcc (or gcc itself) has not done that. It's people's (I won't say "free") choice to make themselves so dependent. I don't blame either Bill Gates or RMS for publishing their proprietary software; their self-interests should be respected. I just blame them for their unsavory behavior dealing with people and companies, especially for misleading people, in RMS's case. And most of the blame goes to their "customers". > >It can't be all that mediocre > >if it has destroyed the market for higher-quality compilers! > > Not true at all. People will put up with mediocrity if it's > available at no cost. To the point where it drives out much > better commercial products. Point made, but I don't think it's fair to blame the pawn shop for the lack of a Tiffinis in your town. The blame belongs to the consumers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message