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Date:      Thu, 9 Nov 2023 16:34:37 +0000
From:      Doug Rabson <dfr@rabson.org>
To:        Zhenlei Huang <zlei@freebsd.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org>, Konstantin Belousov <kib@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: kldunload kernel: How should the kernel behave when it is requested to unload itself
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I think your intuition is correct - it never makes sense to unload the
kernel (IMO). I approved the review.

Doug.


On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 at 16:10, Zhenlei Huang <zlei@freebsd.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is *NOT* joking.
>
> While working on https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42527 I realized the
> module kernel also has userrefs, that is to say, userland can request
> to unload kernel, aka `kldunload kernel`.
>
> This is interesting. Well no doubt that the loader can unload kernel.
> Then after the kernel is loaded and has been initialized (SYSINIT), how
> should it behave when it get an unload request?
>
> I'm proposing https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42530 to do not allow unloading
> the kernel. It is by intuition.
>
> What do you think ?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Zhenlei
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think your intuition is correct - it never makes sense t=
o unload the kernel (IMO). I approved the review.<div><br></div><div>Doug.<=
/div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 at 16:10, Zhenlei Huang &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:zlei@freebsd.org">zlei@freebsd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-=
width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
This is *NOT* joking.<br>
<br>
While working on <a href=3D"https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42527" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42527</a>; I realized=
 the<br>
module kernel also has userrefs, that is to say, userland can request<br>
to unload kernel, aka `kldunload kernel`.<br>
<br>
This is interesting. Well no doubt that the loader can unload kernel.<br>
Then after the kernel is loaded and has been initialized (SYSINIT), how<br>
should it behave when it get an unload request?<br>
<br>
I&#39;m proposing <a href=3D"https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42530" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42530</a>; to do not=
 allow unloading<br>
the kernel. It is by intuition.<br>
<br>
What do you think ?<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Zhenlei<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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