From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Sep 23 15:10:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95878A077E5 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B04714FD for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 780BDA077E3; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779E7A077E2 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Received: from elf.hq.norma.perm.ru (unknown [IPv6:2a00:7540:1::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.norma.perm.ru", Issuer "Vivat-Trade UNIX Root CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E72E514F0 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Received: from [192.168.248.35] ([192.168.248.35]) by elf.hq.norma.perm.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8NFA3FD012921 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 20:10:04 +0500 (YEKT) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) From: "Eugene M. Zheganin" Subject: Re: when the sshd hits the fan To: stable@freebsd.org References: <56026686.8030308@norma.perm.ru> <86wpvhjm7g.fsf@nine.des.no> Message-ID: <5602C0C2.5010102@norma.perm.ru> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 20:09:54 +0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86wpvhjm7g.fsf@nine.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (elf.hq.norma.perm.ru [192.168.3.10]); Wed, 23 Sep 2015 20:10:04 +0500 (YEKT) X-Spam-Status: No hits=-102.4 bayes=0.0000 testhits ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.485, BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on elf.hq.norma.perm.ru X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:10:10 -0000 Hi. On 23.09.2015 18:32, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > "Eugene M. Zheganin" writes: >> I'm trying to understand why the sshd still starts after local daemons, >> out-of-the-box, and what it takes to make this extremely vital service >> to start before non-system (local) ones. I bet I'm not the first one to >> ask, so why isn't this already done ? Seems quite easy for me. > "non-system (local)" services can also be extremely vital: quagga, for > instance. > > In practice, it is probably fine to move sshd before LOGIN. > I have spoken with some local FreeBSD gurus and some of the FreeBSD developers. There's two opinions on that: - conservative one: no rcorder modification is required, however, LOGIN target should be splitted in two, for maintaining a working securitylevel feature, LOGIN1 and LOGIN2. And sshd should require LOGIN1. And all the non-base services should require LOGIN2. And this requires modification of all the ports, thus making this way unuseable. - modern one: rcorder coding is required, to start base system services befor the non-base. I have spoke with one of the pkgng authors, he's able to help, but this requires some funding, because he's currently working on pkg and cannot provide more resources on fee-free basis. So, the question is, can we fund this from FreeBSD Foundation or some other sources ? Reading this thread I understand that this question arises quite often, and it seems like noone is willing to code on his own. Eugene.