From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 13 20:54:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433EF1065678; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF28FC08; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2011 15:25:57 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BKG89750; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:25:57 -0500 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.61.133; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com"; x-sender="mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.61.133; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com"; x-sender="mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.61.133; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com"; x-sender="postmaster@[192.168.1.8]"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-Auth-ID: anat Received: from 209-6-61-133.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.1.8]) ([209.6.61.133]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2011 15:25:57 -0500 Message-ID: <4EC027D4.60808@aldan.algebra.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:25:56 -0500 From: "Mikhail T." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110926 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <20111109124325.17efc0d1.stas@deglitch.com> <20111109222435.GD92221@azathoth.lan> <20111110110637.GA3514@hades.panopticon> <4EBD9D25.7020406@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4EBD9D25.7020406@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:18:51 +0000 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, Baptiste Daroussin , Dmitry Marakasov Subject: Re: Recent ports removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:54:46 -0000 On -10.01.-28163 14:59, Doug Barton wrote: > Yes, we realize that you, and a small minority of other interested > parties, have this belief in spite of endless repetition of the > reasoning, by the people who do the actual work to keep the ports tree > functional, as to why your desire to keep every port is not a workable > solution. I'm one of this "small minority" and can't recall hearing the actual "reasoning" repeated even once -- without every argument being soundly rebutted by myself and other "interested parties". The last discussion, that I can recall ended with an assurance, that the matter is being discussed by the portmgr@ and that the discussion's results will soon be delivered to the unwashed masses. If, indeed, the sound arguments exist, then, perhaps, they can be summarized on a web-page of some sort -- together with the attempts at rebuttal and the counter-rebuttals? There is clearly a vocal share of contributors that currently disagree with portmgr's line -- and our claim to represent a sizable portion of users is just as good as your claim, that we are nothing but a "small minority". Please, convince us so we can all go along with the consensus -- and relieve you from having to repeat your reasoning (whatever it is) monthly... Thanks! > However the fact that no one has made a peep about them is a pretty strong indication that they were simply dead > weight that we were carrying for no good reason. You've gone from "small minority of other interested parties" to "no one has made a peep" in a single e-mail! If this is the quality of the rest of your reasoning, than you should not be surprised, that it has not really resonated despite the "endless repetition"... -mi