From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 09:34:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7348D16A41F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:34:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BBB43D4C; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:34:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k059WtpF007651; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id k059WLCL009640; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id k059WK3J009637; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:32:20 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: "Daniel O'Connor" Message-ID: <20060105093220.GJ1358@svcolo.com> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel O'Connor , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Scott Long , Peter Jeremy , stable@freebsd.org, K?vesd?n G?bor , current References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <43A4B91D.8040304@samsco.org> <20051222211730.GK39174@svcolo.com> <200512231126.51500.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512231126.51500.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current , Peter Jeremy , stable@freebsd.org, K?vesd?n G?bor Subject: Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:34:07 -0000 > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:47, Jo Rhett wrote: > > But FreeBSD Update suffers from all of the same limitations that I've been > > describing because of lack of integration with the Core OS. > > > > 1. modified kernels are foobar > > ..yet are practically mandatory on production systems > > > > 2. modified sources are foobar > > ..yet many common production situations require source compilation > > options On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:26:44AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > How do you expect these two to be handled in a binary upgrade? > I can't see how it's possible.. Look around. Every major commercial OS does it just fine. Most of the open source OSes do it just fine. Debian had probably the easiest to use system, and they've risen, owned the world and fallen all while FreeBSD has been debating this issue. > I don't think integrating it with the core OS (whatever that means) will > magically fix this. If you knew what it meant, you would understand why it would help. > Not having run jails I am not very qualified to comment Exactly. Sorry, not trying to be rude but if you have never felt the pain don't try and say it doesn't exist. -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation