From nobody Tue Jan 14 17:40:23 2025 X-Original-To: bugs@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YXbxn3lHwz5kCXV for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YXbxn3Kk6z436R for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1736876429; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=94/9DKDBNMtf/isdHtI93eGfurhDL2G18lC3kchsnbE=; b=rb9OX8gkjFL7tyaXhLJfx3pnFCOtLGFb/NZRllQ22Pn/t7DeJ81rdRqVvRiJ39ZJgHU7bZ 2Wv6epdiNfmDjKj1FVix9w7NgLizv52SYSttkEuQZ2DWf8TD7irnC+kh3QQXtjgwdhoxLm v69rd9VpNHY8p9JY7bYNX5/IgC2Kt4imZ70c0V/YsmAxZbj2fQ5+hdZN7zLljypVJ0XOgM bgrv0ZGQjBD3SQ05KE6APeZvR+pbylSlJkt9iiarKyURZ4XAg/q3tTYY7dlPK8480G+9fG T6qOZVR8ClLAYps4vZNPDgXunRlA+GIZYH+Va7Y8Epln6md8VXtjBr+hB0/5EQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1736876429; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=94/9DKDBNMtf/isdHtI93eGfurhDL2G18lC3kchsnbE=; b=iAo1n6aiuhmJIwIqpio0FBz6jRwGe3mYAXyzMdzar0FO7xokEb9KNKh0VQb/2u7cmrwbXK GaSO1QlFUL8a86QEW5sR/cWpyC4iQc8F3JxzRqPYvW3+0/kPCpxkTGiOcYYytdF72qB7Eo QqlA4FnRXktBG2rLBHKzL6k9WVKsTc9T7t/RklLKRL3odQ3wL2r4hn8LCLo6Hj6JHL05RA MKYZjD7qmJA78xHnYdh1JNYL6AZJRDDmsi0Z8u/SRMjC1IEyFQ7d1glxKK5ZJ/C+z7kKYd NC1BOMGJa0aGVSZkM4mYXlIGQZcaGB9MgFVYX995NUgX8Btj7NSQffaPzqARiw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1736876429; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RcWCgWixn1tZIJmZ816mfN8G0ay1ODG6gPtvrraSfYeZ1f+ygkZa1wwzMiiEGP3WfF8eU2 ImFVT9ZEkgyTwmrax1lFJVxcNEBv8TBRvxn04Ff1FveMHyVerIdMn3bGZV7cVX5gtHfaYV 6/k7djk9nDwcJ5sj571YnWTS2Y9fS7MV0zhRPbY14Z6ovfpX8PmHCeNo4nF7/ttV3mkhOv 2m1waq4Jtb8E0hty0/VNv6KAVOyzMLRFjBmv4FB0A92/BBY6GJ2MDEQFO0rjRQn5fCxaXw mzyeqLqH/3gpF0y+9BBIhR5F+NMjLFHDOoCw/xNqWBNCBoDdxRpyIzbsLHo/ww== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YXbxn2xZ2z1Q0F for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 50EHeTRD088695 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:40:29 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 50EHeTBN088694 for bugs@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:40:29 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 280941] The reboot command considered harmful Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:40:23 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: Unspecified X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: imp@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Bug reports List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-bugs List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D280941 Warner Losh changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |imp@FreeBSD.org --- Comment #4 from Warner Losh --- Embedded systems sometimes need a reboot this instant functionality. However, that can be bound to a number of other historic interfaces. In our systems at $WORK we have almost no aliases, but we do have "reboot" aliased to "shutdown -r now" This was hashed out maybe 15 or so years ago, and there was only mild suppo= rt for doing something like this at the time. Since then, Linux's way has beco= me more entrenched and the 'reboot right this instant' crowd has gone from sma= ll, but significant minority to almost nonexistant group. Most people tolerate = the behavior, but few strongly support it. I'd suggest that we only do the current behavior when invoked as 'fastboot'= or 'fasthalt'. But I fear it would be a big bikeshed, so that "we" will need to be someone else. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=