From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 18 08:09:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12B91065675 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1492E8FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8I88q3f044795; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q8I88qjd044792; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <63507.1347905101@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , Mike Meyer , Zhihao Yuan Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:09:04 -0000 > To be succinct: this is not OSX/Windows. True Unix and Unix clones can > be decoupled from a desktop environment enough that forcing everyone > to have one choice for desktop user experience doesn't make sense, and > the fact that there isn't a common GUI development toolkit (GTK, QT, > etc) encourages fragmentation of effort further (I think it's called > the Bazaar model of development :P). That's all true. But do anyone understand why there is still so much pressure for every open source OS and specifically *BSD on "default desktop environment" or similar ideas? Such a pressure exist for 20 years at least, and - between other results - started demise of linux as trusty high performance system. Why people still not learned from faults and keep harming good open source projects that way?