From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 5 1:56:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA9E815027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (qmail 5356 invoked from network); 5 Jun 1999 08:56:13 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 5 Jun 1999 08:56:13 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA08260; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 03:56:11 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199906050856.DAA08260@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Matt's Commit status (was Re: 3.2-stable, panic #12) In-Reply-To: <199906050843.BAA20816@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> from Jason Thorpe at "Jun 5, 99 01:43:31 am" To: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 03:56:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@iquest.net, dillon@apollo.backplane.com, Thu@apollo.backplane.com, 3@FreeBSD.ORG, Jun@FreeBSD.ORG, 1999@FreeBSD.ORG, 23.-0500@apollo.backplane.com, nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 03:24:07 -0500 (EST) > > > The frustration that I was showing was a result of off the wall assertions > > being made, with few coherent questions. Your questions are often > > analogous to someone saying that the VM code sucks, but will you help me > > with it, by teaching it to me? Oh, by the way, I haven't read the docs > > that you asked me to... :-). Hows about the frustration of being asked > > to review code "corrections" (or even seeing commits) that show a confusion > > that would have been cleared up if the docs were read, and then time was > > spent to ask questions that are backed with some initial understanding? > > I dunno, John. Matt's right on the ball here, from my experience. Vague > non-answers seem to be your specialty. > Rude, snide comments seem to be yours. I'm sorry that I haven't given you answers to every question that you might have asked, but I doubt that the motivation of your questions were in the best interests of everyone involved. The only way that I can reasonably give answers to questions is if the answer is really wanted. This is a continual problem where if I give an answer, it is often begged with another question that often shows that the real answer isn't desired. Almost anyone who as really asked me for help, and really wants the answer has gotten the answer. One good way to determine if an answer is really desired is to find out if the person who poses the question is willing to research the publically existant information (often the information is out in the open, and indexed in publically available databases.) Questions are often asked when the info is already out there -- it is always best to show people how to get their own answers. The best way that I can generally add to the information out there is to request that people call me, or if specific questions are asked after some effort in doing the research has be made. Sometimes questions are asked, and the correct answer isn't the one that is desired, and then the question is asked again to see if the answer has changed... Seldom do I need to change my answer, unless the question is different :-). John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message