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Date:      Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:54:42 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Karl Denninger <karl@Denninger.Net>
Cc:        Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl>, Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, Soren Schmidt <sos@freebsd.dk>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Tape reliability (was: ATAPI tape support - how to format?)
Message-ID:  <19991218125441.C1108@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19991217201910.A34455@Denninger.Net>
References:  <199912130738.IAA28004@freebsd.dk> <199912131731.KAA44607@harmony.village.org> <19991213192545.D636@yedi.iaf.nl> <19991213125520.A567@Denninger.Net> <19991218120832.A1108@freebie.lemis.com> <19991217201910.A34455@Denninger.Net>

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On Friday, 17 December 1999 at 20:19:10 -0600, Karl Denninger wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 12:08:32PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Monday, 13 December 1999 at 12:55:20 -0600, Karl Denninger wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, I have older HP DAT drives (4 & 8gb models) that have several YEARS
>>> of active use on them, and other than using a cleaning tape when the front
>>> panel "clean me" light flashes I've NEVER had ANY problem with them.
>>
>> This is in stark contrast with my experience.  Which models?  The
>> 35480A DDS-1 drives I had had a life of about 8 months with daily
>> backups.
>
> C1533As, circa 1994.  I have two of them and they are still working.

I had one of them.  In fact I still do, and it didn't fail on me; it
got damaged in transit instead, and I never got it repaired.

> They were in use at an *ISP* as primary backup devices for more than
> two years (read: had the shit beaten out of them nightly) until we
> outgrew them and went to Exabyte 8705s (which SUCKED
> reliability-wise, although they're better than the 8500s!).

I've never used an 8700.  My 8505XL still seems to be working, the
8500 before it wore out.

> The final step was to go to two DLT IIIXTs (after that I have no
> idea; I don't run the place anymore)

I'm having trouble with a Quantum DLT4000 right now, but it looks like
a compatibility problem.

> Their predecessors, two 35480As, were replaced ONLY for capacity reasons.
> As far as I know *those* are still working (I know where one of them is and
> its not broken)
>
> I've never had trouble with HP DAT drives.  None whatsoever.

Amazing.  I certainly had your share of the trouble as well.

Greg
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