From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:48:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F12916A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B1C13C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DC94C8890; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:26 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.741 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.741 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.857, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0uTSWgPQ1scD; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3E84C8884; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000901c82fce$7558ee30$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Erik Osterholm" References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126005855.GA74363@aleph.cepheid.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:21 -0000 Erik, This is a very wise thing that you just said, and I agree with you almost completely. The difference is that your very own words are a brilliant way to say it, and would be wonderful to replace the "Hitler quotes" that is there now. So, if someone would replace it with your quote, I would be completely satisfied: >> the speaker of the quote is not to be the >> basis for categorizing the quote as offensive. In fact, I do not think that the quotes should be removed from the database itself, my only objection is that by having "hitler quotes" on the front page, we are virtually monopolizing the page to this topic. Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Osterholm" To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Re: who wrote this > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:53:54PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >> I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can >> help to >> modify the text on this page. >> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html >> I think it can be worded differently and get the point accross >> without >> giving any extra attention to this monster. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Artur > > Do I understand correctly that you are not concerned so much with the > inclusion of quotes by Adolf Hitler, but you don't like the way the > web page is presented? > > If that's the case, my argument for maintaining the current state of > the webpage is that it's going to become a repeated issue. Without > the notice that Hitler quotes are not automatically considered > offensive, a lot of people will probably see a non-offensive Hitler > quote and argue that it should be moved to the offensive file simply > due to the attribution. > > Put another way, the quote "What luck for the rulers that men do not > think." is not considered offensive. Merely adding the attribution, > then, should not cause it to be moved to the "offensive" file. That > said, people have argued in the past that it should be, simply because > Hitler is in the text. Putting the notice on the webpage at > http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html is a public expression > that the speaker of the quote is not to be the basis for categorizing > the quote as offensive. > > Erik > >