From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 31 23:02:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05B9106566B; Mon, 31 May 2010 23:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [69.66.77.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820738FC14; Mon, 31 May 2010 23:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4VN14N9035087; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:01:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o4VN14pB035086; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:01:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:01:03 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: Tim Kientzle Message-ID: <20100531230103.GG31972@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20100529130240.GA99732@freebsd.org> <20100530135859.GI83316@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <508DA8CE-749A-46B4-AF0B-392DB08CBBCD@samsco.org> <20100531095617.GR83316@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <71B7DEC2-1ABE-4333-8C8E-02F899D2449B@samsco.org> <4C03DD4B.9020209@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4C043DAB.1050206@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+1TulI7fc0PCHNy3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C043DAB.1050206@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 31 May 2010 18:01:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Daniel Eischen , Matthew Seaman , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [TESTING]: ClangBSD branch needs testing before the import to HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 23:02:17 -0000 --+1TulI7fc0PCHNy3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 03:52:27PM -0700, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Matthew Seaman wrote: >> Presumably the import of clang to the base does >> not mean the immediate removal of gcc. >=20 > Of course not. >=20 > I'm not part of core and don't know what they > may have discussed, but I went through some hoops > to replace 'tar' and 'cpio' in the base system > and have some idea what approach we might take > with clang: >=20 > I would expect FreeBSD 9 to ship with both > compilers, with gcc as the default for 'cc'. > So users of 9-STABLE would see and use gcc > unless they specifically chose to use clang. >=20 > Even if we did decide to switch the default > for FreeBSD 10, it's possible we would continue > to install gcc as part of the base system > (just not as 'cc'). >=20 > So realistically, some form of gcc will be built > and installed by default for a few more years. > Beyond that, it depends partly on how well clang > does and partly on how many problems we have with > an increasingly out-of-date gcc. Exactly. We will need to take some risks here, but nuking gcc from the tree won't be one of them for a while. I just sent a link to current and arch with links to the toolchain summit wiki page and a summary of the results. I encorage interested parties to read what is there and provide constructive suggestions. -- Brooks --+1TulI7fc0PCHNy3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFMBD+vXY6L6fI4GtQRAgVuAKDErV9gxVQ1HRKK8HjOEjLd3lq0+wCffAhl 5hxgz6p6Ik+OvGLTCqu9Nes= =/2/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+1TulI7fc0PCHNy3--