From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 03:48:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B314DE9AE27 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 03:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9144973C01 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 03:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 90B42E9AE26; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 03:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90642E9AE25 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 03:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28BBD73BF4; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 03:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([96.50.22.10]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id MnAwegYIQGvLHMnAxeqEJH; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:48:45 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=a9pAzQaF c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:117 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ocR9PWop10UA:10 a=VxmjJ2MpAAAA:8 a=cOLrLDMxAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=-bCde6y68im2v9xUIxIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7gXAzLPJhVmCkEl4_tsf:22 a=P0s3qUPvOpV5zndjNR8V:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0C6D12F0; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB73mfrN095197; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:48:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vB73mesl095194; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201712070348.vB73mesl095194@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Cy Schubert cc: "Pokala, Ravi" , Cy Schubert , "cem@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , ghapiro@freebsd.org, gjb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail deprecation ? In-Reply-To: Message from Cy Schubert of "Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:51:05 -0800." <201712070251.vB72p58k054508@slippy.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:48:40 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMhyCnNu0geLjFLjttDzadG8AVhPv4+nqxuIS0Sijv7SUuykFJMW8QqRJOTT07nFIq4fATaRugw2bL0QJ/W6yREgZOeDOyftiAY8EZKlzgGIWlOvrScx pqF1yfHNtffOhz2FeIygFXxpF7c6UyivDiAVza4atJ4CiOUkg/n+CV5RgyEKcO2SvYDy/2R4cgP33LIKDTwC3piKcul/zOnUqAzFMSoy4Ym9CQoI2yMfDyCL Tsrs+Sm9t8bm7IKxDn7IVr8VyriXrKvYrW0yxas6m/+Ht47PPPUtnF93dyBx00Rt X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 03:48:51 -0000 In message <201712070251.vB72p58k054508@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert writes: > In message , "Pokala, > Ravi" w > rites: > > So less "no dma(8)", and more "no default MTA at all; make them select one" > ? > > Yes. Thinking about this further and softening my position a little, I'd be satisfied with a knob to not build dma in base at all. (Though the desire to remove bloat I prefer not to replace when something is removed.) Upline sendmail hasn't been updated for a a year and almost eight months. (I had misgivings of the sale.) Having said that, I think sendmail's time has come however I'm not convinced replacing it with another default MTA is the solution. A stub like pkg that could install a package, providing the user with a list to choose from, possibly timing out after a short period of time to install the dma pkg (or port) makes the most sense to me and should be a good compromise for all. As gjb@ has been working toward packaged base, would it not be a good time for the MTA replacement project to consider relying on dma ports/packages? Ports/packages are just as much FreeBSD as base is. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.