From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 6 6:22:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwlynx.network-lynx.net (nwlynx.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624A137B403; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 06:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (doze-1.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.106]) by nwlynx.network-lynx.net (8.11.1/8.9.3/Who.Cares) with ESMTP id f66DMUK74257; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <3B45BB7C.A50497E6@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:22:04 -0600 From: Don Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Eric, you were right! References: <3B44C80C.FF06D16C@Silver-Lynx.com> <20010706013656.B48685@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:03:24PM -0600, Don Wilde wrote: > > Looks like Eric Wayte was right in his premonition about Wind River > > screwing us over. Their freebsdmall website is now a link to something > > called BSD Central, and their phone box says 'Welcome to Linux > > Central'.... and of course nobody's in in Customer Service. > > > > I ordered a BSD Desktop direct from freebsdmall.com -- at full list -- > > because their (old) site claimed it would come with 4.3 CDs. Guess who's > > got another obsolete set of 4.1 CDs sitting on his hands? :-( > > I think people need to think twice before condemning WRS as Satan's > newest earth-bound franchisee; they've just bought a whole bunch of > assets and are no doubt still trying to figure out just what to do > with them. Polite feedback to the relevant people about what they > could do better may well work wonders :-) > Hi, Kris - Somebody else's comment relating WR to M$ is not totally off base. They've made their money sucking up our tax dollars through the military budget. I did send them a polite(r) message when I finally got to a WRS e-mail. They took over in April, and it's now July. Given that things used to work, I have little patience with people who can't _keep_ basic things working. They sure got their logos up on the site in a hurry! As for the future being dim, I agree with you. Not a chance! This is exactly the kind of situation FBSD needs to wean itself finally from dependence on any one company, as the response to Wes Peters' thread is showing. As for Jordan's departure to Apple, I think people need to remember that _he_ was the one who announce@'d the Release Schedule. Even if he isn't "it" any more, it doesn't sound like he will be out of the picture. I think it is very important that the Coordinator NOT be a Wind River employee, as tempting as that may be for short-term stability. The new Foundation sounds like the right mechanism at just the right nick of time. It is just as important to make sure that WR doesn't get the baby by fiat as it is that we don't let it go down the drain. -- Don Wilde http://www.Silver-Lynx.com Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message