From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Jun 28 20:59:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADCFB8523B for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 20:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D5512198 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 20:59:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mandree.no-ip.org ([77.181.5.243]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lbuo0-1bjK5u2EEO-00jLOK for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:59:14 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2AC23D856 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:59:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: blanket portmgr approval vs. non-fixing changes To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <201606271607.u5RG73t8005803@slippy.cwsent.com> From: Matthias Andree Message-ID: <5772E521.4080909@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:59:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201606271607.u5RG73t8005803@slippy.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:tudGt30+v5vaxFuEHKVvKQiRz4b/+wZIzup651fNUnEBbtF6YOf xzcX0zsI+xLorC3Gi54x3zNSAbh+e9R5IMn3tsrlePQAoWXfGHRA9ihKx0FyJnLVQhrsiqi c93zVnApZs5h6xIvgR1JiKdqbvUS7qx03aOdA2nGFONm8aghzCWfxN0CeAtp/Qt3fLs3l9m WxqOd+8mL4avEbx2rUXVw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:wMKBSS1erXg=:msTBqNTlRDgxYRP9jBv+6h pqEiVugULYTTEyPmjgTrpVLdJKWM/ChuulEHiFYVz7EP4/PO0LmbuKWGrylLngdbfXv4av7u7 FGpiMjQvTgkV+4iZkF1F8f8Z5eZyrM2gbPmjS2Po/zg268pbdybIn8bNyP9g4/f9F6QJNn2la tgkp2iYv+NP7vK1mcU/2MiibqoVvAQe1lUMHWgge9CFv15Isw/YL0/3lKQPa5bpboIBJ1wcOG PSsAJMZg6mN0zCDujURBSrK0Nl6yMj/a+YBPwnrkx1E3T162u4+gnmpxFuvMVMxqDfcRHSkl0 2DQMkcPSchQUNmMY8ONsk97LaD3ZtM2/4fZM5q+dqWL/kRfeVnUWMgZ/tK0zBYS6cBPhyecw5 yxH+4ZynCgKQ0WJ2oajdTO16vMeEVg9nr5aw1ri3w0iIu0smh7aVztQOhtS+wx82s6M68013d /7Hkncyvcb95N3gONUw6cSRn2Tzon5rLEMZny+igR3XuyPkzMkHbHumA5AIPs2RoROBBlgZAd jPBniiwuMt8XNtNqRcgmh64tlG3KN038o8w2tRMJDWYaOGp7iT5jJfS7RaLwxIYBU9fRQmPZX VcfVzQn0N2oS8mqOhtU+ce2TAO3/JfLVfItdrmM8s551/dOgm8OZcIrzBhGeCGhonbBfGJ+zd VI4wJP3Xxvn2AZ4/39fdUgoj/gJVn5z4tMwNF5Av2OaFALIHSJD0fDnbdAviHVryZXC8RRGdu i/p4RbxCpt7wXz20onJpaZxxmK1Kpk56PqH5L0ziePNRH8HnOibi5UWmqOv+tNQr9a93keQIh 01o259L X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 20:59:24 -0000 Am 27.06.2016 um 18:07 schrieb Cy Schubert: > Mathias, Cy, Mind the double t please. > I'm surprised at your position. I recall a commit you made to one of my= =20 > ports a few years ago, to which I objected. Your position now is a comp= lete=20 > reversal of your arguments then. Quite possible. Things and views change over time. My day job has changed (a few years ago already -- I've been working for a car part supplier for the past almost five years), personal life has changed a bit (less radically), and with it my experience and a sense of how I priorize matters. Some matters I would have found "urgent" earlier now lost this attribute, and I figured that more haste often means more work to clear up some unintended mess, and I value sustainability higher. "Touch things less often." I know some people subscribe to "release early, release often" to get improvements deployed, and I'll consider that to some extent, but not if it goes at the expense of quality or raises the release efforts [1] beyond reason. [1] this includes dealing with PRs, committing to ports, and similar. [Which reminds me I still need to see to getting the self-tests for sysutils/e2fsprogs sorted so that I can commit the upgrade to 1.43.1. We've skipped 1.43 deliberately because it had a few regressions that Ted Ts'o and I have sorted out before 1.43.1.]