From owner-freebsd-security Thu Jul 13 23:56:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428D537BB69 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02881; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000714004715.04b8bc00@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:56:25 -0600 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Displacement of Blame[tm] Cc: Bill Fumerola , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , security@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <18572.963556701@localhost> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:38 AM 7/14/2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Argh. Not this defense again. It wasn't a "defense;" it was a rejoinder. Bill was hurling a gratuitous insult. > Brett, I have to say that it's my true >and honest opinion that I've YET to see a single good idea from you. You seemed to like the idea of starting a BSD track at the O'Reilly conference -- after I did it on my own initiative. >Your ideas, not to put too fine a point on it, tend to be wild flights >of hallucinogenic fantasy and are not "good" by any stretch of the >imagination. Now YOU are hurling insults. >You know those Avis commercials where they show a group of people >brainstorming about how to improve the car rental business by renting >jet packs to executives or including aromatherapy candles in the back >seats? That's what reading Advocacy and Security has been like >lately. Not a bunch of good ideas well presented, just a bunch of >wild ideas presented by our resident wild man, Brett Glass. Please >Brett, learn to recognise your own limitations! Jordan, while you seem to be good at doing releases and organizing development, you have not done well at promoting the platform. In fact, you seem to be allergic to serious advocacy and highly resistant to new ideas (none of mine have been anywhere near as wild as you imply above). Perhaps you should learn to recognize YOUR limitations. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message