From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:18:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E04C16A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A9C13C442 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so624615rvb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:18:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Rh2XUMlNvDmpp/sv8/sCBjbRLo+SzNxadkdB2jDpfJw=; b=SRXsy48jgM5JZgJiXihEfYUj9YpF/jcxBX5OlNZePnxxClu23aMdAPujiHKIJLk1942OQ8/aqBkbKlf4urstLAzlRvJ63i0Up1EU4gyHKkT557GgYzcQ0A/D4hOzyz/Mf3v+5MA/3tql1omod/Y/LYmgS8MrAX+tXCURMX0BylI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cl/2aVBjTadcxOhp4EUiaaCGzseBsY6k1bFqhMEXCsfWzCwq13i7VPWnFtB3+BEAvYEzaXwQR1oytrLn8WkVtY6tlhPn45TiyKO4rAIOvU37o72kvieReSIXNtdcAL+Wv1ws1HjFhxRgt5+lR2elcR9JhkxUFbRZKDkDE8k84JM= Received: by 10.140.180.42 with SMTP id c42mr1333390rvf.1196100649159; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.74.5 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:10:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fd864e0711261010qcea6858v7ba98bb528427576@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:10:49 +0900 From: Astrodog To: obrien@freebsd.org, "Kip Macy" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071126180500.GB79600@dragon.NUXI.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <474983F1.3030700@pbxpress.com> <20071126180500.GB79600@dragon.NUXI.org> Cc: Subject: Re: Is it possible to debug an AMD kernel on Intel X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:18:06 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007 3:05 AM, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 10:32:13PM -0800, Kip Macy wrote: > > Also can we do what the rest of the world does and refer to it as > > x86_64 or 64-bit intel? Continuing to refer to it as amd (I know they > > came up with instruction set extensions but its now a fundamental part > > of the x86 ISA) only serves to confuse new users. > > NO. AMD pioneered this platform. Without them we'd all be unhappily > headed towards IA64's. It is Intel that has constantly chosen to confuse > its customers. This is not a problem for The FreeBSD Project to fix. > > Also why wouldn't calling it "64-bit Intel" confuse the Opteron users? > Or creation confusion that you run "64-bit Intel" on Itanium machines? > > Why aren't folks confused that you should use FreeBSD/i386 on a Core2 Duo > (or an Opteron)? >From what I understand, aside from the points raised above, renaming it would also require a fairly large ammount of work. --- Harrison