From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 24 10:19:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA1D37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C17E43F43 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0OIJRIF033096 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:19:27 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Subject: RE: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again... (was on freebsd-questions, moved to freebsd-chat) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:19:20 +0100 Message-ID: <00ee01c2c3d5$1e1a84e0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200301240934.36578.will@highveldcs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Here's a thought what about the intellectual property that > the've enjoy > > at the expense of all of the BSD's? What would happen if > the BSD world > > recinded the rights to TCP/IP and demanded compensation for it's use > > from say everyone? > > Mike, the rights to IP itself are with DARPA, so we couldn't > recind it, but, > UCB designed the origional UNIX IP stack (which could be > installed as a > supliment to AT&T UNIX as part of the patch set then known as > BSD). If we > recinded that, even MS would have to pay up for including the > code in Windows > 2000. Microsoft pay for infringing on someone else's IP rights? Wouldn't they just try to use standard FUD and SS tactics along with a long and drawn out case that will make everyone throw in the towel? Or, would they re-design their OS with a TCP/IP stack that implemented new features, was prone to attacks and, if you wanted to view any information on the API, you would have to answer yes to a license during the installation of a PDF that was packaged in .EXE form that forbid you of talking about what you saw in the specification to others who didn't agree to the license too??? (sorry, an attempt at humor) > > Still, from the new SCO's point of view, that's probably a > bad business plan, > ie, making money the honest way. Why eat into McBride's > salary to spend lots > of money, and lots of time, researching new technology, when > they can just > spend their shareholders' money quickly and sue everyone into > paying them > "royaltees" for what might be their intilectual property, but > most certainly > is not their work. From a BMW-driver's perspective, it's a > brilliant business > model, apart from a legal team, you need no employees at all. > > That works just wonderfully for management. They don't like engineers > remember, most engineers are smarter than most management, > management don't > like employees that don't think their manager is an all > knowing all seeing > entity of universal power which has the final authority on > everything. If > managers had their way, they'd be regulating when we are > allowed to relieve > ourselves. Just think about seeing this on your office wall: > "Employees will > not use company sanitation facilities more than once a day. > Failure to comply > will result in manegarial centure of the employee, and > complete revocation of > sanitation facility privilages." > Isn't this called Scientific Management? (Or Fordism).. Where every little detail of employees lives are controlled to the point that they don't have to think for themselves? Hmmm, kinda sounds like a certain OS/Application developer that we all know and love, don't it? (Substitute employee for user in the first sentence) Oh well, just a thought.. > Now, as all management think we should be doing, I'll add a standard > disclaimer to my e-mail. Almost all of this is just my own > personal rantings. > If you take this letter seriously, your are stupid. The > content of this > message is not neciserally the view of all engineers, most of > us just love > management, really. This message is posted in the hope of promoting > histerical laughter with all readers, if you did not find it > funny, or feel > offended by anything I have posted, I would like to express > my sincerest > apologies that the terrible genetic imbalance responsible for > your inability > to process humor has so profoundly affected you and would > like to advise you > that medication is available for this condition. > Too late, management is drafting a policy as we speak to censure you.... :) > There we go, I've gotten everybody's two cents worth, that'll > do for the day. > If you would like more nonsensical ranting and random abuse > hurled at large > corporations, please contact will@highveldcs.com, I am always > available for > unfriendly comments. > > Will Hmm, if we take the two cents that you throw in, add my dime, we can use it as a starting point for the collection to overthrow the "new" SCO... And if we keep all donations to monetary denominations like pennies and nickles and dimes, we could literally bury them during the takeover... Hmmmm........ :) > -- > Willie Viljoen > IT Solutions Consultant > > Highveld Computing Solutions > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > will@highveldcs.com > > Be ahead of the pack, visit http://www.highveldcs.com/ and > find out how our > next generation IT solutions will propel your business into > the 21st century. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message