Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:38:18 -0600 From: David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net> To: Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: Garrett Cooper <youshi10@u.washington.edu>, Lonnie Cumberland <lonnie@outstep.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MAC OS X connection to FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20061113143818.GA34908@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: <004001c70706$0d571ec0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> References: <454E9F7B.5010105@outstep.com> <454F210C.9000602@outstep.com> <004001c70706$0d571ec0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645>
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On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 01:28:16AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> No, they used it all as the Darwin core. Then they took Darwin and
> added their own GUI (used to be called Aqua) and that is MacOSX.
X11 also comes on the MacOS X DVD, but is not installed by default.
> Bear in mind that the MacOS X gui does not translate directly into
> UNIX. For example, you can load MacOS System 7 files with a separate
> resource and data fork onto MacOSX. The MacOS X gui handles a lot of
> this kind of stuff.
I lost you there. "So what?" The classic Mac file format is more
advanced than a Unix (or Windows) flat file. The MacOS X Unix view of
such files is morphed into a directory of files. The GUI turns such
directories into a single application icon which *can* be opened to see
what is inside but normally a double-click or open launches the app.
> Apple also doesen't use the UNIX security model. As near as I can
> tell their core security model is an ACL model not a user/group model.
> Once again this is something that's handled elsewhere.
Don't know how its done underneath but from a shell and ported
applications it looks exactly the same:
dkelly@dot-matrix {767} uname -a
Darwin dot-matrix.local 8.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.8.0: Fri Sep 8 17:18:57 PDT 2006; root:xnu-792.12.6.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
dkelly@dot-matrix {768} id
uid=503(dkelly) gid=501(dkelly) groups=501(dkelly), 81(appserveradm), 79(appserverusr), 80(admin)
dkelly@dot-matrix {769} who am i
dkelly ttyp2 Nov 13 08:17
dkelly@dot-matrix {770} ls -ld .
drwxr-xr-x 33 dkelly dkelly 1122 Nov 1 13:30 .
dkelly@dot-matrix {771}
> The biggest problem with MacOS X is that a lot of UNIX software that
> runs on FreeBSD and such, is not ported to MacOSX, and it's very
> difficult to compile on MacOSX.
Really? Good thing I didn't know compiling was difficult. The other day
I wanted a MacOS X version of mkisofs. Copied cdrtools from
/usr/ports/distfiles/ off a FreeBSD machine. Built without a complaint
in moments. Not terribly thrilled with its default install location of
/opt/schily/bin/ but at least its easy to remove.
--
David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net
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Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
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